Timing Simms pump

Mbaggs

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I think the pump timing on this Ford engine is off...I'm wondering if this is the same as a tractors setup?

I'm hoping the uploaded imaages will show up, or I'll post a link on a hosting site.

Anyway, looking the coupler to the pump, it "slotted", I'm sure to tme the pump...when I first noticed this, it was rotated all the way to one side...and that seems odd to me, so I loosened it up and centered it...now...the timing cover side of the coupler is keyed, so there's no way to adjust it, is it possible to pull the pump back..and re-index it on the gears inside the cover?

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks.
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Dang, forgot a question:)

Is the "window" to see the pumps timing mark located to the rear (left in the pic) of the pump, somewhat under the fuel filter?

Thanks
 
I've never seen a Ford ag diesel engine like that. It's similar to a Ford Major engine, but the pump is backwards and is a newer style on yours.

I'm going to say the timing mark is on that tab in the first picture, at the top of the picture. If you can find a small index mark on it, that should then align with the mark on your rotating hub when the pump is ready to inject fuel on #1 cylinder. This should then correspond to a timing mark on the flywheel of anywhere between 16 and 23 degrees or so BTDC.

Disclaimer: These are educated guesses only!
 
Thanks, that's a start...the only manual I can find is a PDF in Dutch...and I just can't type that much (PDF's won't let be copy and paste) into Google translate.

I think I located the flywheel timing area, seems it's a hole on the pump side in the bell housing area at about 4-5 Oclock...has a plate over it, so will wrangle it off and see if I can find some marks for reference.

PS...I think you're spot on, I found many reference to timing the pump at 20*'s BTDC
 
Timing marks are on the flywheel, there is a little door on the flywheel housing on the same side as the pump. Groove in the side of the window should line up with 21 degrees on the flywheel.

There is an idicator just above the coupling which has a notch in, this should line up with a mark on the pump coupling.

If you cannot see the mark, rotate the engine and line up the 21 degree mark again.

The engine is the same as a New Performance Super Major that was sold as the Ford 5000 in the US
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Awesome, I think I have it now...#1 coming up on compression, the timing mark should show in the window in the bell housing, and at that point the mark on the tab of the pump should line up with the mark on the coupler.

Thanks so much!
 
An additional question, I pulled the rocker cover (working solo here) and rotated the engine until the #1 ex valve started to open, then back off a bit to close it...should be at or neat TDC...

Question is, should there be a 'TDC" mark on the flywheel?...I can locate it..but still might be off a few degrees.

Thanks again.
 
Okay...we're having some contact now!!!

I started off i your suggested spot, had my nehew come over and keep rotating the crank BTDC and finally came to a line a stamping that is either a DC or BC or OC...something "C"...is this where I time the pump too?

It appears as I mentioned before, it would correspond to me pulling the pump and re-indexing it-based on how the pump was rotated in the coupler.

2nd question...mercy...do I use the "center punched dot" on the coupler, or what appears to be a chisel line/scribe?

Both will require me to re-index the pump...but appear to be about a tooth off from each other (guesstimate).

Thanks.
 
And the more I look at it, it alsmost seems that the pump was pulled via the adjusting bolts, and not put in correctly...gonna see if removing the bolts alow me to get it where I "think" it should be...

Good times!
 
I found the timing marks and have it at 21 in the notch...my marks on pump side of the coupling are way off from the pump timing tab (similar, but worse in the one pic I showed "where I left off")...I assume I have to pull the pump back a bit and rotate it so the bolts use the other set of "gaps" in the coupler, I certainly don't have enough adjustment to get the slots lined up.
 
Sorry about the delay but my scanner went down.

Couple of questions, why do you think she needs re-timing? Are you having problems starting or running?

If the timing was way out she would not run at all and there are a number of other problems that are not timing related that show similar symptoms, head gasket for one.

Usually the clamp bolt is in the middle of the slots on the coupling but if the timing gears in the front have been replaced wrongly then that could give an offset coupling.

Here are the pictures. If you have no marks and the engine runs, I would move the coupling a little at a time to see if it runs better. If you move it too much you may burn out the pistons or cause other internal damage.
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