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1954 ford jubilee

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ronnie wheat

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First 10 min. of running, all good. then while bus hogging on a up slope tractor starts missing ,fluttering, dies. 10 seconds will start up go around field running fine back to the up grade same thing. new dist. new coil new points new condenser new wires. been through carb twice. it acts like it's running out of fuel, pull choke out don't phase it. when it starts the flutter it dies. I've only got 14 hair on top pulled 12 out today. I don't have an answer. lost part of my religion today. Can any one shed some light on subject. HELP___HELP
 
I have a 54 Jubilee and have experienced similar problems. It usually occurs an a side slope rather than up slope. Believe issue is with Carb Floats. I have rebuilt Carb which improved problem but can still happen if tractor is at the right angle.Believe floats stick which cause this problem.
 
THANKS, THAT sounds like my problem also, but wondering about the distributor, when it goes under that little strain does the advance in dist. change the timing. I can't get it in my old head is it the fuel, or in firing. Reason for asking it died a couple times on the flat in thick grass.
 
(quoted from post at 18:11:06 09/24/13) THANKS, THAT sounds like my problem also, but wondering about the distributor, when it goes under that little strain does the advance in dist. change the timing. I can't get it in my old head is it the fuel, or in firing. Reason for asking it died a couple times on the flat in thick grass.
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53' was Jubilee, 54' is NAA. I find it much more likely that grade will effect fuel supply. I don't see it likely changing spark.

Chris
 
As soon as it dies jump off and pull the center wire out of the distributor cap. Hold it near an unpainted surface on the block and crank the engine over. Do you have spark? If you do then your problem is fuel related.
 
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(quoted from post at 18:11:06 09/24/13) THANKS, THAT sounds like my problem also, but wondering about the distributor, when it goes under that little strain does the advance in dist. change the timing. I can't get it in my old head is it the fuel, or in firing. Reason for asking it died a couple times on the flat in thick grass.
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53' was Jubilee, 54' is NAA. I find it much more likely that grade will effect fuel supply. I don't see it likely changing spark.

Chris
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Technically, both years were the NAA model.
I agree that it sounds more like fuel than spark.
Texas! has already mentioned to check spark right at the time of stall.
My question is, does it stall like that going up the hill with the
mower turned off, or only when the engine is under load?
"on the flat in thick grass" made me wonder about the governor.
 
TEXAS THANKS, will try, now a dumb question, i'm from the old school. is there such a thing called a vapor lock. I know I've seen clothes pins attached to fuel lines all my life. on old cars and tractors, always made fun when I saw this. IS it fact or fiction?
 
THANKS, HAS quit on road on grade, also some one has cobbled the governor spring, it's broken, they wired the coils together. i'm trying to help neighbor and it's hard to make him understand if it's broken fix it.
 
ditto what Texas told you. at moment of death.. check spark.

if you ever suspect spark.. hotwire coil and check again. if spark is good.. go to fuel
 
OK WERE going to say governor, all the governor is going to do is open the throttle butter fly to give more fuel, why would it quit running.
 
Well since i am a person who likes to state thing correctly the Jubilee is a 1953 and the NAA is a 1954. Super close to the same tractor but in the stand point of valve well not the same. Sorry hate that people do not state things as 53 as in Jubilee and 54 NAA
 
SOUND GUY THANKS, if I hot wire do I remove the switch wire from coil, and run jumper straight from batt. one more question, is there a concrete way to time dist. other than listening to engine performance .
 
I have not used a timing in years but then I do know how to do it by ear which is any more getting to be a lost art. To time by ear you want to set the throttle to say half then move the distributor to get the highest RPM but also an easy start. Takes a person that has done it more then once to get it right but can be learned. Yes many say it can not be done but I have done it hundreds of times
 
OLD that is my method also. your from the old school is there such thing as a vapor lock. needing clothes pins to correct? seen this all my 65 years on old cars and tractors. always made fun. IS it fact or fiction?
 
Never seen clothes pins used but dry ice and a can yes. As for vapor lock yes it can happen if the fuel line is routed in such a way that it gets to hot and boils the fuel in the line and a fuel pump can not pump vapor. Still remember my dad had a car he had tuned up by a local place but he said it just not run like it should. He said it starts easy but get poor MPG and did not have the power it should. I said hand me the keys. I grabbed a wrench and took it for a drive. Got back with it and said take it out. The first thing he did was laid black marks on the street
 
(quoted from post at 05:37:47 09/25/13) OLD that is my method also. your from the old school is there such thing as a vapor lock. needing clothes pins to correct? seen this all my 65 years on old cars and tractors. always made fun. IS it fact or fiction?
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99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time a timing light will time it dead nutz.... If you are lazy and proud of it guess at it...

If you are that lazy then there's no need to get into total timing as a lazy guess may get you by...

To take the guess work out what you think may be a spark issue get a spark tester anything ls is a guess... A uneducated guess at that..,..
 
use a timing lamp to set tming.

no need to disconnect switch wire to coil.. just run hot from bat to coil.
 
(quoted from post at 21:13:59 09/24/13) Well since i am a person who likes to state thing correctly the Jubilee is a 1953 and the NAA is a 1954. Super close to the same tractor but in the stand point of valve well not the same. Sorry hate that people do not state things as 53 as in Jubilee and 54 NAA
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Old - go to the New Holland parts site and search by model and put in Jubilee, or Golden Jubilee and you won't find anything. Search on NAA and it will come back with:

(NAA) 4-CYL AG TRACTOR (1/53-12/54)

So according to the manufacturer, the NAA was made from January of 1953 until December of 1954.

Never seen clothes pins used but dry ice and a can yes. As for vapor lock yes it can happen if the fuel line is routed in such a way that it gets to hot and boils the fuel in the line and a fuel pump can not pump vapor.
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The NAA does not have a fuel pump, so can vapor lock happen in a gravity fed system?
 
Just a question and clarification about Jubilees.
Old states that he wanted to be correct and that
only the 53 was a Jubilee. On John Smiths
(oldfordtractors.com) Jubilees were made from 52-54.
 
Regardless of what others may say, it is not possible to properly time an engine by ear.

Dean
 
Vapor lock cannot occur in a Ford tractor built prior to 1965 IF the fuel line is routed properly. The factory fuel line runs vertically so any bubbles from boiling fuel will rise up the fuel line and disperse into the gas tank.
 
(quoted from post at 10:03:09 09/25/13) Just a question and clarification about Jubilees.
Old states that he wanted to be correct and that
only the 53 was a Jubilee. On John Smiths
(oldfordtractors.com) Jubilees were made from 52-54.
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The NAA model was made from late 1952 through 1954, but
the ones made in 1952 were actually sold as 1953 model
year tractors. The model was called the NAA for all years it
was made.

1953 was the Ford Motor Company's 50th anniversary,
which is also referred to as a "Golden Jubilee", so they put
a badge on the nose of the 1953 model year NAA tractors
that said "Golden Jubilee" and it was referred to as the
"Golden Jubilee" and sometimes just as the "Jubilee", but the model was actually the NAA, and the next year they
changed the badge so that it did not say "Golden Jubilee"
on the 1954 model year tractors, but it was still the same
NAA model.
 

Ronnie, I think you are right to question the governor. Especially since you said the spring was cobbled because it broke.
Is there a chance it isn't working right anymore and allowing the engine to bog down under strain, instead of opening up that butterfly?
Just a thought.
Glad to know there are still neighbors like you around
Good Luck
 
THANKS MARK,---this one has drove me nuts, it will act up, then make couple rounds running fine. But most trouble on a slight incline. I can work governor , in other words yank it wide open never a miss, flutter or any thing. TELL him try again same results. HERE is what I don't understand, was close to tractor when it had it's fit, as it was dying I noticed fire jumping off all 4 wires running down plug to head. never heard of this.
 
(quoted from post at 00:33:20 09/27/13) HERE is what I don't understand, was close to tractor when it had it's fit, as it was dying I noticed fire jumping off all 4 wires running down plug to head. never heard of this.
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I think you are getting close to your problem since you saw the tractor as it died. All that fire / spark jumping around the wires and head tells you the spark is there, just not getting to the combustion chamber.

In your opening post for this topic you said you have put in new coil, dist., wires, points & condenser. You never mentioned plugs. The only time I had spark coming outside the wires on an engine it was because two plugs were partially fouled. They worked OK but not great cold but as it warmed up the plugs would foul and stop firing and there was no place for the spark to discharge, so the spark came out the boots and wires to the nearest metal object. In my case the engine was an 8 cyl. leaking oil into two chambers. With 8 cyl. I could see the two bad guys continue to spark through the boots and wires as the engine began to run very rough. You had to be in the right place at the right time to see the sparks before your engine died.

If you haven't done so yet, the plugs are something to check and/or change. I don't understand why they would act up going up slope or under heavy load, unless it is burning a fair amount of oil that increased under load.

- Mark
 
THANKS MARK, I reposted tonight, TEXAS thinks wires, BUT next move will be plugs and if I can talk him into it different wires. you can get close to plug boots and it will knock it in the dirt.
 
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