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Bern

09-23-2013 22:17:42
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Is it coming from the area of the cam, or out of the cylinder wall?




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FordTractorMan

09-24-2013 05:14:15
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to Bern, 09-23-2013 22:17:42  
I've got to double check this morning, but I'm going to say it's from the cylinder wall. Saw it leak down from above the cam. I was trying to keep my troble light out of the waterfall last night but didn't succeed - shattered the bulb, so I called it a day.

For what it's worth, in April 2011, I had the same symptoms and it was a hole in the water jacket near #6 cylinder. I drilled & tapped it & ran in a bolt w/locticte. That's still holding fine. I'll post back when I know more.

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FordTractorMan

09-24-2013 09:29:07
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to FordTractorMan, 09-24-2013 05:14:15  
Found it. #4 cylinder, on the side, about 1/4 inch from the very bottom. When the stream of water shoots out, it hits the camshaft. I've been pricing blocks this morning.



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Bern

09-24-2013 15:42:01
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to FordTractorMan, 09-24-2013 09:29:07  
That, IMHO, is not cavitation. It's too close to the bottom. It's good old fashioned rust due to poor cooling system maintenance (or more specifically, the lack thereof). I had that happen once on a 9700 as well. Not sure if those series of 401 blocks are more susceptible to this problem or not, but the bottom line is that unless you sleeve all 6, you will have problems in the future.

Further complicating things is the fact that the hole is so low in the cylinder wall. I suspect that at least some machinists will tell you that the block is not repairable. If this happens, I would look into pouring some sort of liquid metal into the cooling jacket and raising the floor about an inch or maybe even two.

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FordTractorMan

09-24-2013 17:15:04
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to Bern, 09-24-2013 15:42:01  
After seeing it, I wouldn't call it cavitation either. I'm interested in your suggestion. How exactly would I go about that?



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Bern

09-24-2013 17:32:51
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to FordTractorMan, 09-24-2013 17:15:04  
Not sure really. I have heard that race engine builders do that sometimes for engines that only run the 1/4 mile. I would ask a machinist.

I would have no issues raising the floor a couple of inches after seeing how high Ford raised it on the Genesis blocks.



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showcrop

09-24-2013 19:12:45
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to Bern, 09-24-2013 17:32:51  
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It sounds like what pullers call hard blocking. It is done to support the block when aggressive machining is done. It is a special compound that I would say looks like concrete. A fellow here in NH brought his 9000 to some pulls this summer. He bought it out of the weeds with a perforated block. He sleeved all six. It runs great now.



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FordTractorMan

09-24-2013 19:47:49
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to showcrop, 09-24-2013 19:12:45  
Hey, I think you guys have something here. Found this website and I plan to check on it tomorrow. Here's the link: http://www.hardblok.com/product-info/



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Bern

09-24-2013 20:18:58
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to FordTractorMan, 09-24-2013 19:47:49  
Looks like what you need. If you do it right, you may not even have to pull the head. I don't know how fluid this stuff is when "wet", but you may be able to insert it through a soft plug hole.

My only concern would be how much crap is existing down there in your water jacket. If you don't get most of it out first, it may not set up well. You'd have to ask the folks who sell the stuff.

Let us know how it works out for you if you end up using it.

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FordTractorMan

09-24-2013 21:13:56
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to Bern, 09-24-2013 20:18:58  
I've been thinking about that too. Wondering how I'd clean that out. Take off the water pump and pull a few freeze plugs & pour in some coolant flush maybe? I'll ask when I call. Let you know how it works if I go that route.



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09-25-2013 08:20:27
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to FordTractorMan, 09-24-2013 21:13:56  
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I have found some really deep accumulations of crud in water jackets, especially towards the back. I would want to be pressure washing in there if I were you.



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RodInNS

09-25-2013 09:03:21
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to showcrop, 09-25-2013 08:20:27  
I tend to agree with that assessment. I once cleaned a 3000 block that was full of crud right up to the core plugs. Antifreeze had never been changed since it left Highland Park in 1973. This was... 3 years ago. So just about 40 years on it.

Rod



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FordTractorMan

09-25-2013 15:53:56
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 Re: Unforgettable Moments... in reply to RodInNS, 09-25-2013 09:03:21  
Sounds good. Thanks.



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