Ford 601 1960 yr.

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For the hydraulic fluid, my manual says use Ford M 4868-A. What oil is that? I can't trace that # to a particular weight. Is it traditional hydraulic fluid or the same heavier wt. oil that is used in the diff and trans?

Tx, Tony
 
You can use any UTF in the hyds and the rear end and trans as long as it meets the ford 134D spec. Or you can use the UTF or regular hyd fluid in the hyds and use a 80-90 or 85W-140 in the rear end and trans
 
ditto what old said.

utf in all 3 or utf in hyds and gear oil in trans and diffy.

just about any utf you buy today will meet the specs of that 53yr old machine
 
That is a 90 gear oil.I have a 601 manual in my hand.my manual says M 4864 A.Ford used gear oil.mild EP 90.
 
He has the correct #. It is just not available anymore. It for sure is not EP 90. You are not correct 36 Coupe.

To original poster. I used UTF that meets 134D Spec, it works for me.
As stated by Tony Jacobs before, there is a Valvoline product that more closely matches the old spec. It is a little thicker than 134D. (but it sure is not 90 wt)
HTH
Keith
 
36 Coupe here are the pages from 1964.
Do you see 90 wt ANY WHERE on there?
Didn't think so.
Keith
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Hello Keith , Technically it is still available just could not ever figure out why they called mild ep 80 or 90 , as one number is an A(80 weight) and the other is B(90 weight). They are both Mineral oils 80 and 90 weight and that is what belongs in the N series tractors and that is what came in the 100 series tractors and 01 series tractors when new . I still use the Mineral oils in the N series tractors when I service them , hydraulic pump works much better with the thicker oil and lasts longer with the thicker oil . Tony
 
Hello 36 Coupe , Technically it is a 90 weight Mineral oil not gear oil . The Mild Extreme Pressure is very misleading to the point of being incorrect . Tony
 
Hello Keith , It is spelled out in the Parts Manual and Hydraulic Brochures and maybe in the service manual not sure which year copy though . I don't think Coupe said which manual he was referring to . Tony
 
Hello Chris , He is in Texas . The Hydraulic pump will pump the proper 80 or 90 weight mineral oil here in New England just fine , I know it would not pump 80 or 90 weight gear oil because it was not designed to though , I never could get an answer why Ford listed it that way . Tony
 
that's why i don't reccomend 80-90 in the hyds.. because the average person is going to go to autozone and buy gear oil...
 
Hello CBrown , Others have posted this chart before and it is still wrong no matter how many times you post it , it is the FOUNTAIN OF MISINFORMATION posted by a COMPANY WHO WANTS TO SELL YOU A NEW TRACTOR and does care what happens to your old tractor by using the WRONG LUBRICANTS IN IT why is that so hard to understand ? There is no such thing as MODERN TERMS in regards to oil specs. either it is made or it is not made anymore . Finding the correct cross reference chart for old oil specs to newer oil specs. is another thing . The 80 weight and 90 weight MINERAL OIL that was used in these tractors new is still made and used today BUT not available EVERYWHERE like Hydraulic oil . Hydraulic pumps DESIGNED 50 TO 70 YEARS AGO were designed to use HEAVIER OIL because MACHINING TOLERANCES were SLOPPIER than that of the HYDRAULIC PUMPS MADE TODAY which can use LIGHTER HYDRAULIC OIL and since manufacturers DO NOT WANT OLD TRACTORS WORKING any more they recommend oil that is used in CURRENT PRODUCTION TRACTORS REGARDLESS IF IT CORRECT OR NOT for your old tractor because they want to sell you a new tractor or at least parts for your old one if you dumb enough to continue using the the wrong oil and keep wearing it out , they get you either way . So if your DEFINITIVE SOURCE is just keep spending your money on break downs go ahead , otherwise go to an OIL MANUFACTURER that their only business is to make and sell oil and buy the correct oil for what ever you own . IF you had the choice would you eat NATURAL/ORGANIC FOOD or PROCESSED FOOD ? DRINK CITY WATER or NATURAL SPRING WATER ? BREATH CLEAN COUNTRY AIR or DIRTIER CITY AIR ? Think out side the box or just follow the rest of the sheep to slaughter it is your money .
 
(quoted from post at 11:46:03 07/18/13) Hello CBrown , Others have posted this chart before and it is still wrong no matter how many times you post it , it is the FOUNTAIN OF MISINFORMATION posted by a COMPANY WHO WANTS TO SELL YOU A NEW TRACTOR and does care what happens to your old tractor by using the WRONG LUBRICANTS IN IT why is that so hard to understand ? There is no such thing as MODERN TERMS in regards to oil specs. either it is made or it is not made anymore . Finding the correct cross reference chart for old oil specs to newer oil specs. is another thing . The 80 weight and 90 weight MINERAL OIL that was used in these tractors new is still made and used today BUT not available EVERYWHERE like Hydraulic oil . Hydraulic pumps DESIGNED 50 TO 70 YEARS AGO were designed to use HEAVIER OIL because MACHINING TOLERANCES were SLOPPIER than that of the HYDRAULIC PUMPS MADE TODAY which can use LIGHTER HYDRAULIC OIL and since manufacturers DO NOT WANT OLD TRACTORS WORKING any more they recommend oil that is used in CURRENT PRODUCTION TRACTORS REGARDLESS IF IT CORRECT OR NOT for your old tractor because they want to sell you a new tractor or at least parts for your old one if you dumb enough to continue using the the wrong oil and keep wearing it out , they get you either way . So if your DEFINITIVE SOURCE is just keep spending your money on break downs go ahead , otherwise go to an OIL MANUFACTURER that their only business is to make and sell oil and buy the correct oil for what ever you own . IF you had the choice would you eat NATURAL/ORGANIC FOOD or PROCESSED FOOD ? DRINK CITY WATER or NATURAL SPRING WATER ? BREATH CLEAN COUNTRY AIR or DIRTIER CITY AIR ? Think out side the box or just follow the rest of the sheep to slaughter it is your money .

Wow...
 
guess it depends on the area,
in my rural area, the mineral oil is on the shelf at NAPA, TSC, many others.
good stuff
pump-able, thick enough for gears
I personally don't care for 134, except for the hydraulic chamber only, .....in hard January.
Springtime, it comes out.

I know they say it is ok, but I just can't make myself put that thin stuff in a tranny or rear.
JMHO, but if I can hear gears and bearings, they are telling me they are not happy.
the thin stuff in any of my, any color, pre-1950 tractors, and they tell me loudly, they don't like it.
(used UTF as a flushing fill in the rear of a AC WC for a short test drive....wow....howling....85-140 after, nice and quiet)
Working on the big ol gears in tractors, don't seem much different,
than a toploader, or detroit locker 9".
ain't putting 134 in those.........

exception to above is that I did use 134 equivalent in
my 5000 because of the brakes. all is fine, but it is a 1975...
 
Hello NoNewParts , Glad you posted and glad to see someone else with common sense . Just like the old New Process 205 gear drive transfer case since the 70's it ran on 80w90 gear oil late 80's early 90's they ran it on ATF to cut down the drag and improve gas mileage like that is going to help on a 1 Ton 4x4 truck it did not hurt the case but it was not happy either . I know because I changed my trucks back to 80w90 and there all up to close to 300,000 miles and the cases have never been apart . But if you take a New Process 241 in the newer 1 tons that does run on ATF and try to run it on 80w90 gear oil you had better expect to rebuild it soon because it BURN out all of the bearings because it was designed for thinner oil and can not run thicker oil . Tractors are no different , run what it is designed to have in it and you will have less problems . Thanks Tony
 
I have the 600 and 601 owners manuals and the Ford motor service manual.EP means extreme pressure oil .It stinks,mineral oil does not.The 9n uses the same ring and pinion gears as the FORD ton and a half trucks.These trucks used 140 oil in summer and 90 in winter.I am old enough to have worked on these early trucks and would never use the 134 oil in them.EP oil may have sulphur in it.
 
My 640 uses 90 weight in Maine and I work into January if deep snow holds off.I had no lift power in hot weather with 134.Changed to 90 and no more trouble.
 

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