1310 wants to start but wont

hi all, ive got another project im working on for a friend, im trying to get his 1310 running but it just cant run, it seems to be not getting enough fuel,i bled the lines to the injectors and made sure the lines are clean and dirt free, it tries to start and seems to run but not enough without the starter helping keep it going, I have the throttle wide open but no dice, this is a jap model so im not to familier with the system, it makes a sluggish crank when I crack the middle injector line for bleeding, when I tighten it up it speeds up, when cracking the other 2 injector lines to bleed it sure tries to start but cant get enough umph! LOL, im stumped, anyone know about these that might know what im missing?? thanks
 
the tractor has a new head and top end rebuild, we are now trying to finish it up,
could the fuel inj.pump be plugged or is there bleeders on this type of pump?
 
That doesn't make sense that cracking the injector would make it crank more sluggishly. Are you holding the glow plugs for a full 60 seconds? They really need all of that time to heat up. Are you opening them on the injector, or at the top of the pump? The fuel goes into the pump at a banjo fitting on the top I think, like a 1210. if you bleed it there first, it usually will fill the pump. I have a 1210 and a 1910, so I am going to have to go look to be sure, but I think just bleeding it there and then use the excess fuel lever when you bleed the injectors should get it running. I will have to go check to be sure. I was going to head out to that building tonight anyhow to get the serial number off my round baler anyhow.
 
thanks for the reply, yes, we are heating them up till that lite comes on, and at the top of the injector, I did take them off the top of the pump to make sure that they were clear, then re attached them and re bled,and yes apout the banjo fitting, what it the excess fuel lever?
thanks
 
Are you getting fuel to the injectors when you bleed at the injectors?

Has this tractor been down for an extended period (6-8 months or more)? It might be that the rings have unseated to some degree, and you"ve lost some compression. I would tow start it and keep on pulling it (safely) until it starts and runs on its own.
 
sixbales, yes its been sitting with head off covered in corner of shop for almost 2 years,
and it seems like im not getting enough fuel at all, I let it set last nite and went back at it again today, with no luck,i took the lines from the fuel pump to injectors off and just a couple drips of fuel came out of the lines, I did take the pump out to clean it and its pretty sticky, so im cleaning it up, then I will re install and try again,
so you think I should be pulling it till it runs on its own??
 
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To the right of the 3 injector lines, coming from the pump, there is a lever that pivots on the center, with a spring, and a hole in each end. It looks silver-ish in that photo. That is the excess fuel lever.

After bleeding at the banjo fitting(there is a bleeder valve on top of the banjo), give the lever a twist, and then crack open all three lines on the injectors, turn them pretty far open at the flare nut, then without preheating the tractor, crank the engine over until diesel pours out of all three lines. Then, tighten them all back down, preheat the tractor, crack the throttle 3/4 open, and it should fire up.


edit: the picture didn't post, but I'm sure you can find what I am talking about.


I'm just curious, and this is just a "duh" thing... but do you have the fuel petcock turned on at the tank? Is the diesel pouring out of the banjo fitting when you bleed the pump?


If the excess fuel lever is engaged, the engine will run rough and smoky at first, until you move the throttle lever towards closed.




Hope this helps.
 
hi john and thanks for the help,ok, I know the excess lever now thanks, and yea, LOL, I had to double chech the petcock valve! LOL, I know how those duhhh, moments go! :) I will try what you posted and we will see, rite now we drained the tank and all fuel lines and are gonna fill with fresh, and new filter as well, when I get that pump cleaned up it should all work im hoping,
OH! almost forgot, when I was testing the starter wiring out the glowplug is wired to turn on while cranking, I found the one it should be but after you switch from preheat to on, it stays on while in the on position, it is a 5 wire starter switch,
 
Ted,

You have to be satisfied that you have fuel to the injectors, and the system is properly bled.

Injection pumps produce a very small amount of fuel/high pressure. Volume at the injectors can be deceiving.

Have you replaced the old fuel? Does it run with starting fluid?

Are you getting good cranking speed with the battery & starter? Low cranking speed can be a problem, especially if compression is down a bit due to the long period of inactivity. Tow-starting will improve this.
 
sixbales, I am going to re assemble everything today and yes, we drained the old fuel, we will try pulling it today and I will report back, thanks
 
well, bad news! that tractor is not running yet, we are getting fuel, we tried to pull start it and it did run but for 2 minutes with no throttle control, it was blowing a bunch of crap out so we kept pulling it around, we never got it to run again, it was billowing white smoke really bad and pushing oil out the ex. valves, not a good sign for a reman head!there is oil spray all over the owner and the side of the tractor,
I guess the good news here is that we are getting fuel and the motor isn't locked up, im stumped even more now
 
Is there any way you can post pictures?

There is no way for me to further help you with diagnostics. It sounds like something is not assembled right at all. Either that, or something is not in time. Do you have a shop manual for the tractor?
 
The white smoke is unburned fuel.

Most likely the rings have unseated, and the engine has lost some compression.

I would pull the injectors and have them checked at a diesel shop.

While the injectors are out, I would put a couple tablespoons of ATF in each cylinder to try to loosen up the rings.
 
The white smoke is unburned fuel. The black crap out the exhaust is "diesel slobbering" - you are going to see a lot of slobbering until you get it running and work it hard.

Most likely the rings have unseated, and the engine has lost some compression.

I would pull the injectors and have them checked at a diesel shop.

While the injectors are out, I would put a couple tablespoons of ATF in each cylinder to try to loosen up the rings.
 
john, I will have to go back over there this weekend and take pics, no I don't have any books on this tractor, I just been helping him out, im not sure about assembly I only was there for the fuel part, im thinking that there is a timing issue cause it tries to start but just wont take off n run, when you pull start it it sounds like its running till you stop pulling it, it will run terribly then die after about a minute,
 
sixbales, the smoke issue is kinda what I figured,i will go and most likely get the tractor and bring it home and tear it apart and work it over, I don't understand why sometimes it knocks loudly then stops when u crank it and pull it, but im not to concerned at this point cause my diesel generator did that when it wouldn't start, im kinda thinking that there is a timing issue with this tractor, I also think that there was more issues with it than what was told to my friend when he bought it, (it wasn't running) I would have not got it not running myself,
 

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