Tony, Thanks I think that nails it. The loader is a 712 model 19-332. The back hoe is a Kelley B70 with a 12-6 dig depth. Im adding picures. the question i still have is the guy that bought it says its a 64 and bought it in 64. Could the ford dealer at that time say that just to sell it? Can i still get parts for it. And it has the heavy duty Linco 4x4 front end.