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Re: Ford 5000 electricalgenerator

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Hayburner

05-01-2013 19:23:05
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Thanks for the comments guys. I will check them out and get some work done when I can catch up again. I would like to just go to the new alternator...what would be needed for new wiring?

Edited to add: Rod, can you provide more detail on the change in alternator while keeping the tach drive from the generator? I could understand the mechanics of mounting it assuming I would put a belt on to drive both the alternator AND generator, but what additional wiring would be needed?

Thanks for any help you can provide.
This post was edited by Hayburner at 19:26:07 05/01/13.

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RodInNS

05-01-2013 20:47:05
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 Re: Ford 5000 electricalgenerator in reply to Hayburner, 05-01-2013 19:23:05  
Take the gen and heave it on the scrap heap until you want it's copper....

Take the original lower mounting bracket... turn it over end for end and then elongate the holes as far as you dare so it will slide forward. Then mount the alt... then you will see what you need to do to mount the top bracket. You'll also need a longer drive belt... mabey an inch or two. I forget exactly.

If your engine has the newer style plug over the oil pump drive you can update the instruments and install that drive. Otherwise you need a special alternator from Tisco that has a tach drive mounted on the end that is driven from the rotor. There are also Delco 10DN externally regulated alt's out there that have tach drives... but then you need to buy an external reg so that adds to the cost.

Wiring the 10si 3 wire is pretty simple. I run a 4-6 ga wire from the BAT terminal on the alt directly to the + Lug on the starter. Terminal 2 on the alt is jumped back to the BAT lug on the alt. Terminal 1 is wired with a 14 ga wire up to the charge light in the instrument cluster. When you cut the wire to hook into the light.... make sure that it's wired such that the light receives power from the ignition and the alt is hooked to the other side of the bulb. And you're done.

The instrument update is fairly simple also. Just remove the oil filter, pry the welch plug out that sits below it... then extract the oil pump drive shaft/gear. Install the new shaft/gear with the square drive hole, then install the new angle drive above it... hook the new cable up and the new cluster. IF you get the right cluster from '76-'79 or therabouts.... you don't have to change any senders. If you go with a newer cluster then the temp sender must be changed out and that requires drilling and tapping the head to receive the newer style sender.
You're probably into 500 bucks to do all of this when it's all done. That's only the cost of 2 gens and 3 regs. LOL. Or more commonly 1 gen, 1 reg and 1 battery.

Rod

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Hayburner

05-01-2013 21:01:48
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 Re: Ford 5000 electricalgenerator in reply to RodInNS, 05-01-2013 20:47:05  
Thanks a bunch Rod. I will have to bookmark this page for when I can get to it. I appreciate the help very much.



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sotxbill

05-02-2013 07:37:10
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 Re: Ford 5000 electricalgenerator in reply to Hayburner, 05-01-2013 21:01:48  
While they can be troublesome, once you get them repaired, they pretty much work for 30 to 40 years. So.. if you want to fix the generator and try a couple of voltage regulators, you will get it done. I find its usually the vr that is bad, but have replace a couple of gennys and several gears on the tack drive. And then, they work perfectly. Seems the vr's are aftermarket, made in India or Turkey or somewhere and they are either bad out of the box, or will work fine. Be patient.

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RodInNS

05-02-2013 09:05:36
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 Re: Ford 5000 electricalgenerator in reply to sotxbill, 05-02-2013 07:37:10  
That may happen in your southern texas environment.... but it doesn't happen here. I've never observed anyone have anything but misery with one of those gens... and if you buy the tractor used it's almost certainly not charging if it has a gen. The only way you get to fix and forget for 40 years is if you don't need it charging.

Rod



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