Need Help Identifying ford Tractor

stevo7122

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Hi I'm having a problem trying to identify my ford tractor. The tractor itself looks like it is a ford 3000 (The new holland dealer told me it was 1966 ford 3000) however I was in the process of replacing the fuel tank and noticed my replacement tank fuel neck was way to short. After looking at the parts manual I believe the fuel neck is 3 1/4 inches tall and the parts manual says it would either be a 3400 or a 4410 if i'm reading it correctly. I tried to make sense of model and serial number but that isn't ligning up either.

Parts Manual Refrence: 1 C5NN9002AD 1 Tank Assy., Fuel, 3- 1 1/4" Neck, 3400, 4410, NoLonger Serviced , Start Yea r: 01/01 / 1965

I will try to upload the photo of the location of the Model and serial number I found on the tractor Here is what I'm reading the 3 numbers as

5B02B
31023C
C101986C125

Please note you can't see the 5 on the end of the picture...

I appreciate any help thanks.
 
I'm taking a stab at this but

Your tractor was built 02 Feb 1965 during
the day shift.

And it's a 3000, Agricultural, Gas, Live
PTO w/8speed.

i'm assuming it was built in Detroit.
There is a website that gives a break
down of the Ford production codes. Does
yours still have a foil tag on the inside of
the hood?

I hope this helps,

Christos
 
Thanks for the quick response. Which number is the Model number and which number is the serial number? I was looking at a site that helps you identify it but it doesn't look to be the same here is an example they gave...


Tractor Model No: C1023C
Tractor Production Code: 2J29B
= Unit Date Code
Tractor Serial Number: C354485

Model No. meaning:
C = Model 3000
10 = Agricultural All Purpose
2 = Gas
3 = Live PTO, 540 rpm
C = 8 speed transmission


Serial No. meaning:
C = built in the USA
B = built in Basildon, England


Unit Date Code meaning:
2 = 1972
J = September
29 = 29th day of the mo.
B = Day shift



Is the model number C101986...? If so why is the parts manual saying my fuel tank was for a ford 3400....? Also I'm trying to get my account permissions changed to allow me to post the pic of the numbers...

Thanks,
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I'm guessing the model number is 31023C ??? If the tractor was actually a 3400 what would the model number have to be?

Thanks again.
 
31023C is the model number and C101986 is the serial number. At some point Ford changed the first digit of the model to a letter inplace of the number so 3 was changed to C (the tird letter in the alph)

Mark
 
As others have said, the model number is C1023C, which is a 3000 general purpose agricultural chassis tractor with a gas engine, 8 speed transmission and live PTO.

The production code is 5B02B, which tells you what day and even what shift it was when the tractor rolled off of the assembly line. In this case it was February 2, 1965, day shift.

C101986 is the serial number, which is an early 1965 serial number, and so it agrees with the production code above.

If the tractor was actually a 3400 what would the model number have to be?

A 3400 model number would start with 340 (1968-1968) or C40 (1968-1975).

If so why is the parts manual saying my fuel tank was for a ford 3400....?

Why do you think that the parts manual is telling you that your fuel tank was for a Ford 3400? Are you looking up a casting number from the tank? If so, that's the problem, the casting number is not the part number. The parts numbers in the parts manual are what the current recommended part numbers are for a particular application. If you notice, the part number for a gas tank for a regular 3000 starts with E3NN, which means that part number wasn't even used until 1973, so who knows what the original part number was for a 1965 300.
 
After realizing the neck was too short on the new fuel tank I looked at the parts manual to see if I had got the wrong fuel tank. Here is what the parts manual listed out:

E3NN9002AB 1 Tank Assy., Fuel , 1. 97" Neck, 2000, 411 0, 4140, 3000 Except 3400,3500, When repl acing prior level tank,
also order (1)E3NN-9A316-CA(839439 61), (1)E3NN -1 3N850- AA(83943965), ( 1)D5NN-1 4N031-B (83918682) & (5) 54677-S 100(83918056), Start Year: 01/0 1/ 1965

C5NN9002AD 1 Tank Assy., Fuel, 3- 1 1/4" Neck, 3400, 4410, NoLonger Serviced , Start Year: 01/01 / 1965

E2NN9002BA 1 T ank Assy., Fuel, 3500, 3550,4100, 4200, 4400,4500, Start Year: 01/0 1/ 1965

D8NN 9002HA 1 T ank Assy., Fuel, 5 100, Sta rt Yea r: 01/01 / 1965

C5NN9002AM 1 Tank Assy., Fuel , 5200, NHNA Only, NoLonger Serv iced , Start Yea r: 01/0 1/ 1965


The part number I would need would be: C5NN9002AD that has the 3- 1 1/4" Neck. All other tank necks would be to short. This part number says its for the 3400 and 4110 and doesn't mention the 3000.

The only way I can use the new fuel tank is to cut off the neck and extend it to 3 1/4 inches. This is what led me to believe that the tractor may not have been a ford 3000 but a ford 3400...

Any thoughts?
 
Well, since the numbers that identify the tractor are stamped into the bell housing of the transmission, they can only tell you about the tractor that the transmission was attached to when it left the factory.

It is possible that your tractor is a 3400, and the transmission was swapped out at some point in the past with a transmission from a 3000, and those numbers (model number, production code and serial number) were just the numbers that were on the 3000 that the transmission was originally a part of.

Post some pictures of the tractor and maybe we can help you identify it. The 3400 was unique in it's front axle setup, so post a couple of pictures that show the front axle from a couple of angles.
 
When I get a chance I will see if I can get some pics. Was there anything else unique about the the 3400 besides the front axle? The front axle I think looks like any other 3000 the body panels I believe are still original and they say it's a 3000. I find it odd that the parts manual and the gas tank say otherwise. It makes me curious if the standard fuel filler neck is under 3 inches (like the replacement gas tank) then the whole body would need to be lowered in order for the filler neck to stick out level with the body so you can get the gas cap off...I wonder if anyone else with a later model 3000 has the shorter fuel filler neck on the gas tank...I don know the tractor has an older radiator cowl with the 2 piece grill insert as opposed to the all one piece grill insert....
 
Some early 3000s and all 3400s had the cowel, hood and nose mounted about 1 3/4" higher than the later ones.
This required a different cowel, hood brackets and a taller fill neck on the tank.
Look at the difference in the height of the dash vs the steering wheel and throttle handle in the two photos below.
I think I have a good gas tank from a high tin 3000 here. Have to look around.

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That information helps out tremendously! I wish their was a website or at leaste the manual that would list all the years individually 1965 - 1975 and explain the small changes that occured in every single year. Do you have any Idea what year the body was "lowered"? This could make it a little more difficult to get replacement body panels (namingly the front radiator cowl) unless the panels are all the same size and they just changed the brackets to lower the existing body size.... My front radiator cowl is fairly damaged and I was thinking about getting a more recent radiator cowl but I'm wondering if it will lign up due to the height changes perhaps I would have to replace all the brackets and body panels at the same time....
 
I couldn't say when they made the change. Sometime before they went to the newer style hood without louvers is all I know.
To go to the lower tin you would need a different cowel around the tank and the front bracket that bolts to the head. On a gasser I think the firewall tins are adjustable heightwise.
On a diesel there is a bracket that would need to be changed.
The bracket that the lower part of the nose bolts to has bolt holes for both heights so that one doesn't need changing.
Notice the different placement of the hole for the steering column in the photo below.
The yellow cowel is from a high tin tractor.
Rather than change all the necessary parts out I think your idea of welding a taller fill neck on to the new tank is the best one.

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