Ford 4000 model number

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I'm working on a 1062 Ford 4000 and the model number is diamond 2461 diamond. It's a 4 cylinder with a 5 speed and live PTO. The model number doesn't correspond to any code I've found on-line. Any clues?
 
That number is the serial number. In 1962, the 4000"s started at 1001. In 1963 the serial numbers started at 11949. So, your serial number is consistent with an early 1962 model.
 
The model number should be 41205 if it's a standard utility tractor or 41105 if it's a row crop tractor.
 
Yes, 961 would be the model number. From what you have described, it sounds like the tranny in your tractor may have been swapped in from an earlier one. Or, maybe it was a 961 that was one of the last ones built before they changed over to making blue (4000) ones.
Is there any red paint showing? Is the tractor a row crop type? What does the grille look like? is there any -1 or -2 etc after the 961? -Will
 
Since the Model and Serial Numbers on the 1955-1964 Fords was stamped into the transmission housing (and nowhere else on the tractor) those numbers go wherever the transmission goes. You either have a 1958 961 Row Crop tractor or you have an unknown tractor with the transmission out of a 1958 961.
When Ford switched to the Blue & Gray paint in 1962 a lot of people repainted their older Red & Gray Fords with the new color scheme and some even went so far as to put the new "Ford 4000" decals on them. A photo of your tractor would help us tell you what you have.
 
The tractor was bought new by my friend's father-in-law who now has dementia but it doesn't appear it's ever been disassembled. There is nothing after the 961. I did notice red paint under the blue paint so it's possible it was a 01 series transition tractor. The hood has "4000" decal on the side and the front has the round emblem recess in the center although the emblem itself is gone. I thought the only thing that changed with the 1000 series was the hood didn't have the round recess. It's a wide front row-crop tractor with 5 speed manual tranny, hydraulics, three-point, and live PTO. With a serial number of 2461 could this be a 1957 '01 series painted blue with a 4000 decal?
 
Yes, I believe you may be right that it was a 961 made in late'57 and as Larry said sold as an early '58. And as you also said it may well have been painted blue along the way. This was a fairly common thing to do it seems, back in the day. Over the years engines, trannys, and rear axles have been swapped all over the place too. Ford added to the confusion by re-labeling 801 and 901 tractors and painting them blue. I have two Fords from around this time, a blue one with red paint underneath and a red one with blue paint underneath.
So, your tractor looks like this, just with blue paint, right?.......
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(Pay no attention to the outhouse in the background, that's just a squirrel hotel I maintain.... :) -Will
 
Would you believe that Ford Tractor actually encouraged owners of older Red & Gray tractors to have them repainted Blue & Grey!
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The tractor isn't here but I don't believe it has
the crossbar grill. I'm going back today with
sandpaper, magnifying glass, and camera. I'm an
Allis guy and we run into the same mix & match so
it's nothing new.

How come I can't find where to log into this site? I have a password that I used before although it's been a while.

Thanks.
 
You can sign in if you click on 'modern view" if you have set up a login and password.
Definitely take some pictures of that Ford and post them here if you can. If it doesn't have the eggcrate grille then it could be a '62 or '63 "prior" 4000 with an older tranny, as Texas said. -Will
 
Since it has the cyclops grill I'm thinking it may be a 961 with a hundred series grill or a 501,601,or 701 grill. It looks like they are the same. Yes? Was the dash panel the same on the hundred, 01, and thousand series? Anything else that might identify it?
 
Larry - Looking at the Smith's Old Ford website it
like they built some in '57 and sold them as a 1958
model year. Since this is fairly low serial number
that could be what it is.
 
I hadn't thought about that, maybe it is an earlier tractor with the plain grille like the NAA and the ones you mentioned. I guess that would make it a 900, maybe. The '63 grille has no round emblem and the '62 has both the round emblem and the eggcrate grille, so I guess those are out. Seeing a photo or 2 would really help. The dash panels are essentially the same, the 901 series having a fuel, temp, and oil gauge and the 900 has an ammeter in place of one of those, I think. Even then it could be a tractor made up of parts of others. -Will

Edit: Another thing you could look for are number/letter combinations cast into certain parts as date codes. They will be something like "9A2" and in this example the 9 would be for 1959. You will find these on the lift arms and on the rear axle housing and other places if the tractor isn't too dirty.
Also, the engine has a number cast into it on the lower right side which could start with 310, B9NN, or C0NN - this can help determine engine mfg date.
 
The dash on the 01's and thousands will have a idiot light charge indicator and a fuel gauge in place of the ammeter that the hundreds used. There's a difference on the rear axle too, but I'm not sure what that is offhand. There are casting (date) codes that can pin down if the tranny is original to the rest of the tractor...or at least is close.
 

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