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RodInNS

02-07-2013 09:08:27
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There's nothing too complicated about it other than it's not easy to get at where it is...
Personally I'd have a strong inclination to simply cut the lines off the mechaincal pump and install a 4 psi electric pump closer to the tank... That would also be contingent on having a reliable electrical system with an alternator rather than the original generator.

Rod




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RickB

02-08-2013 13:08:09
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to RodInNS, 02-07-2013 09:08:27  
Easy way to turn a $45 repair into a $200 project. Overkill if the generator charging system works like thousands still do.



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RodInNS

02-08-2013 15:17:23
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to RickB, 02-08-2013 13:08:09  
I might find one in 10 that work...

Rod



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RickB

02-08-2013 15:52:54
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to RodInNS, 02-08-2013 15:17:23  
The guy is complaining about his fuel pump, not his charging system. A decent 12V fuel pump here is $65 minimum; repop mechanical pump is $42 and I have sold 12 of them without return or issue in the last 3 years. I get that you don't like generators, but your "fix" isn't practical unless the pump and charging system are both down. If you are worried about the generator supplying enough to run the electric pump, you should also be concerned with the low-rent gas ignition switch carrying the necessary current. Unless of course you need to add a relay as well. More cost & complexity.
Give me a new mechanical pump and a half to a full hour to swap it in and I can get on with my life.

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RodInNS

02-08-2013 16:49:36
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to RickB, 02-08-2013 15:52:54  
Like I said in round one... if the electrics were adequate I'd be ~inclined~ to install an electric pump.
Either way it's not a big deal to me. One thing I am sure of... is that given enough time both the electric pump and the mechanical pump will fail again at some point. Just a personal preference that I'd rather slip two rubber lines over the hose barbs and attach a wire rather than grub around that front cover.


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Bob Shabinaw

02-07-2013 09:48:01
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to RodInNS, 02-07-2013 09:08:27  
Pull alternator, belt, them try to unbolt original lines and bolts from block, but is there and pushrod problems like the old chevy 350"s



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lfc

02-07-2013 19:59:04
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to Bob Shabinaw, 02-07-2013 09:48:01  
There is no pushrod - the pump is actuated directly by an eccentric on the camshaft gear. Be sure to clean the crud away before you unbolt the pump so the crud doesn"t fall into the timing cover.



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Ultradog MN

02-07-2013 21:31:36
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to lfc, 02-07-2013 19:59:04  
You are correct about the eccentric on the front of the cam. But there is a push rod - slides in the timing cover between the eccentric and the pump.
Wouldn't hurt to leave it all in there if he did as Rod suggested and went to an electric pump.
Rod, why do you suggest the alternator? Should be plenty of amps in an old generator system to run a little fuel pump.



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lfc

02-08-2013 04:37:56
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-07-2013 21:31:36  
Thanks Ultradog. I wasn't sure about the push rod - it has been a long, long time since I switched pumps on our 3000 due to it gaining oil.



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RodInNS

02-07-2013 21:41:55
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-07-2013 21:31:36  
I despise those generators... I wouldn't want to rely on them to run anything 'necessary' on those tractors. First thing I do with Lucas gens is toss em... Every once and a while I take a fit and decide to find out why they don't work... then I toss them. They were the single biggest downfall of that entire series of tractors.

Rod



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RodInNS

02-07-2013 18:57:02
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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to Bob Shabinaw, 02-07-2013 09:48:01  
Not really sure... I'd kinda expect a gear drive given where it's located.

Rod



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RodInNS

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 Re: Ford 4500 gas in reply to Bob Shabinaw, 02-07-2013 09:48:01  
Not really sure... I'd kinda expect a gear drive given where it's located.

Rod



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