3400 Ford Transmission Bearing Source HELP HELP HELP

I'm at my wits end... :( on this one. I need to replace the main pilot bearing in my transmission. I've called the dealers in my area and checked on the usual websites as well as a bearing supply house that said they could get any type bearing in the world. Well they coudn't get this one. The Ford New Holland part number is C5NN7133A and lists on Parts Spring.com for $287. But also says its unavailable! It is supposed to be used on a dozen or more models so I dont' know why it isn't available. If anyone knows of a replacement I will be eternally grateful and you will have good carma for the rest of your natural born days.. :lol: If I can get it to work I will attach a picture or two of the bearing.
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How long for a dealer to get it from a warehouse?
I find it hard to believe it's not available at all... but not uncommon for it to not be on a dealer shelf.

Rod
 
Is this that 4x4 manuel reverseing trans that caused a lot of discussiona while back? Seems like very few were made or not very poplar.
 
(quoted from post at 14:56:12 09/29/12) Is this that 4x4 manuel reverseing trans that caused a lot of discussiona while back? Seems like very few were made or not very poplar.

The 4x4 manual reverser was the same as the 6x4 except that the extra forward gears were removed to make them more affordable.The bearing he is looking for is the same in both.
 
I googled that part # but not much info there either.
You might have to look for a used one.
I would try Alexander's Tractor - in Texas somewhere. Google it.
 
(quoted from post at 01:36:14 09/30/12) have you tried long lane tractors in elizabethtown, Pa.717-367-8610 good luck.

I'll give em a call on Monday. I'll try any where I can get a lead on this bearing.

Thanks
Craig
 

Messicks is trying to locate one for me but so far no luck. I gave Long Lane a call and they didn't have it either but were helpful with possible solutions. Still searching for a source for the bearing. Any help greatly appreciated.
 
Kind of off the wall, but try another Ford dealer. I know you think the dealer network is all connected, but... I needed a battery hold-down for a 9700 once. It was on national back-order for six months from a dealer in NE Ohio. Tried another dealer about 50 miles south. They said, "It'll be here tomorrow". Same thing happened in the automotive line.Early in the 21st century, Ford had trouble with transmission housings on the trans that would replace the E4OD. Friend buys truck, blows the housing, dealer tells friend six week wait for updated housing. I call reputable dealer in Cleveland with the P/N, he says, "3 in Detroit. Can have one here by 10 A.M." Every now and then you encounter a dealer who does't seem to be connected to the rest of the world.
 
(quoted from post at 02:24:08 10/03/12) Kind of off the wall, but try another Ford dealer. I know you think the dealer network is all connected, but... I needed a battery hold-down for a 9700 once. It was on national back-order for six months from a dealer in NE Ohio. Tried another dealer about 50 miles south. They said, "It'll be here tomorrow". Same thing happened in the automotive line.Early in the 21st century, Ford had trouble with transmission housings on the trans that would replace the E4OD. Friend buys truck, blows the housing, dealer tells friend six week wait for updated housing. I call reputable dealer in Cleveland with the P/N, he says, "3 in Detroit. Can have one here by 10 A.M." Every now and then you encounter a dealer who does't seem to be connected to the rest of the world.

I'll try some mid west dealers and see what I come up with. THanks for the suggestion.
 
I needed parts for a JD H pto.Got a list of dealers who had the parts.One sold me the parts at half the list price.He was glad to move them. A collar that cost 11.00 years ago had moved up to 75.00.
 
(quoted from post at 11:56:10 10/04/12) I needed parts for a JD H pto.Got a list of dealers who had the parts.One sold me the parts at half the list price.He was glad to move them. A collar that cost 11.00 years ago had moved up to 75.00.

I went back to the internet and with some numbers that one dealer gave me I was able to locate a salvage bearing from Downing Tractor Parts in Wisconsin. So if all goes well I will put the thing back to gether next week. Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and help.
:D
 
(quoted from post at 14:23:56 10/04/12)
(quoted from post at 11:56:10 10/04/12) I needed parts for a JD H pto.Got a list of dealers who had the parts.One sold me the parts at half the list price.He was glad to move them. A collar that cost 11.00 years ago had moved up to 75.00.

I went back to the internet and with some numbers that one dealer gave me I was able to locate a salvage bearing from Downing Tractor Parts in Wisconsin. So if all goes well I will put the thing back to gether next week. Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and help.
:D

Well I got the bearing today and it doesn't look anything like mine. Just a cage bearing. I'll go to the barn tomorrow and see if it is the same size but it looks too large to me. If its the same size I'll try it anyway. I don't know if there is any special need to have the exact type roller bearing that was installed but I like the parts I use as replacements to be like the ones I've removed. Oh well while I'm trying to find the bearing I might as well replace the clutch shaft and bearings as they are showing some wear and I'm already in here. It'll be a week before the parts get here so I'll post later to update my dilema. IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE TO GET THIS BEARING I'M CONSIDERING A FINDERS FEE!!!!!!! AND I HAVE BEER>>> :lol:
 
Well no luck on this bearing. :( I have tried several dealers in the northeast/ midwest and here in Florida. The bearing house tracked it down to an SKF bearing that the 'line' was sold to RBC bearing back in the 70's but that's all the help they had other than buy a transmission. :roll: I'm considering using a stock replacement type bearing that closely matches the specs on the old one and haveing the main shaft machined to fit the OD of the replacement. I can't find a replacement front shaft either so I'm not thrilled about trying the machine work in case it gets messed up.
I have emails out to several salvage yards looking for a replacement trans but this 4x4 isn't common I guess and I'm sure it costs more than I can afford.

I'm now offering a finders fee of $100 if anyone can find this bearing.
 
Ask all of your salvage yards for the 6x4 manual reversing transmission too. They are more common, and are the same as the 4x4 except they have an extra forward gear in both the low and high range. The bearing that you're looking for is the same in both transmissions.
 
Craig
Try Fawcett's Tractor Parts in St Mary's Ontario, they ship to the States.
1-800-372-7149
Good luck with your search!
Brian
 
(quoted from post at 03:26:10 10/23/12) Ask all of your salvage yards for the 6x4 manual reversing transmission too. They are more common, and are the same as the 4x4 except they have an extra forward gear in both the low and high range. The bearing that you're looking for is the same in both transmissions.

Thanks Sean, I was going to post and see if the 6x4 would swap out and I will assume that with your recomendation that they will. I still can't believe no one has one of these bearings around somewhere. I guess the next problem I will have is the 6x4 will have a different main shaft spline count and I will have to change my clutch disk to match.. I guess I shouldn't worry about that yet cause I probably can't afford a salvage trans anyway. One place wanted $1700 plus $250 S/H and my old one for a core. I still don't understand why they wanted the core unless it's for scrap value. Anyway thanks again.
 

Thanks Brian, I'll give em a call tomorrow. Can't imagine what the shipping cost would be if I have to go for a transmission.
 
Craig
You could try Don @ Watson's tractor parts in Ariss, Ontario, he just might have something. His number is (519) 846-0776
Have you tried an industrial bearing supplier, I have a great one about an hour from me.
Regards
Brian
PS:
If any of my suggestions pan out, keep the money for shipping!
 
(quoted from post at 01:03:15 10/24/12) Craig
You could try Don @ Watson's tractor parts in Ariss, Ontario, he just might have something. His number is (519) 846-0776
Have you tried an industrial bearing supplier, I have a great one about an hour from me.
Regards
Brian
PS:
If any of my suggestions pan out, keep the money for shipping!

Thanks Brian, I'll add em to the call list. Also I've already tried Miller Bearing who services all of Florida but I guess I could try another. It's juse a hassle as I have to drive 80 miles to get to them.
 
Craig
send me an email.
durham brian 3743 at yahoo dot com (remove the spaces)
Brian
I guess I should proof read! it should read.
durham brian 3743 at yahoo dot ca
Sorry!
 
(quoted from post at 02:55:00 10/28/12) Craig
send me an email.
durham brian 3743 at yahoo dot com (remove the spaces)
Brian

Brian, Thanks for the leads. I tried Fawcetts and Don Watson and both are looking for one but none on hand.

I tried to send you an email but it bounced back. I'll try again. You can email me an cmkruse at centurylink net if you like (remove spaces also and add dot to the net) Thanks
 
Latest update.... haven't found the bearing yet but a dealer had a cross over number... it is 81812494. I don't know if it's a good number or not as no one mentioned it before but you never know.
 
Hi Craig
I just checked my local CNH, that bearing is no longer available here in Canada either. No stock shown on the system either.
How did you make out with Lou's Bearings?
Can you go to a slightly different sized bearing, and modify the components to fit?
Brian
 

NEW UPDATE on the 3400 bearing issue. I have given up on finding the bearing and I'm persuing a swap to an 8 speed with the help of an almost local tractor Guru. So far I aquired a transmisson but the bolt pattern on the 3000 doesn't allow for the two large bolts on the 3400 bottom. So looks like it won't work afterall. Now back to looking for a suitable sub transmission.

If anyone with a 3400 with the front pilot bearing C5NN7133A / 81812494 has a failure you might as well look for a replacement transmission as this bearing isn't available anywhere in the world that I can find. Good luck.
 
Well guys here's the latest in the Saga!! The trans swap to a 3000 8 speed wouldn't work as the 3400 uses two large bolts in the bottom of the housing bettween the trans and the engine. The 3000 has two smaller holes. Recommendations to drill the 3000 housing wasn't an acceptable fix. I returned the transmission.

BUT

While there Wayde said he had an old 3400 trans carcass he found in his back forty.... He suggested we look at it to see if it was the same as what I was trying to find a bearing for. Well at first look see it seemed to be a good canidate for the scrap vendor. The top shifter was gone and the gear train was rusted. Some broken teeth on a few gears and the front bearing looked to be rusted solid and later proved to be!!! Well we eyeballed it a little and tapped on the input shaft to see if there was any movement noting the rusted bearing. Noting there so what the heck go ahead and remove the front bearing retainer and shaft and see if the bearing is in as bad a shape as the one I have. I expected it to be toast but low and behold. I couldn't believe it. The bearing was pristine showing little to no wear. The shaft was a little worse off but still usable.
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Well I installed it yesterday and with a little luck I'll have the tractor back together in the next week. I'd like to thank all you guys for your help and especially Brian Allen and Wayde Lovelace for helping me get the tractor back to a usable condition. I hope the information here will help someone else in the future should you have the same bearing issue. For me the only fix was finding this salvage bearing in an old transmission carcass. I'm sure glad people save this old stuff so people like me can benefit.
 
Craig I just finished dealing with the same issue that you have been fighting and with positive results. I have looked high and low for the bearing and with no results, however I didn"t know that it wasn"t available until I had already bought a new input and main shaft for the transmission. Long story short I didn"t have a bearing at all because mine was completely missing and had worn the end of the main shaft and ruined the input shaft. I saw your listing and copyed your picture of the bearing and took my new main shaft and input to my local bearing supplier and we came up with a new heavier duty and hardened bearing that fit the main shaft and was smaller in diameter than the input shaft. Because the new bearing had a harnened inner race to slide on the main shaft and also a harnened outter race I took the main shaft to a friend of mine that owns a machine shop and had him buiild me a pressed in sleeve for my input shaft that would allow me to use the new bearing. All assembled and working fine. Bearing was $70 and the machine work was $130. I have pictures of the entire process. Doe"s that earn me a $100 ?
 
(quoted from post at 23:46:09 12/14/12) Craig I just finished dealing with the same issue that you have been fighting and with positive results. I have looked high and low for the bearing and with no results, however I didn"t know that it wasn"t available until I had already bought a new input and main shaft for the transmission. Long story short I didn"t have a bearing at all because mine was completely missing and had worn the end of the main shaft and ruined the input shaft. I saw your listing and copyed your picture of the bearing and took my new main shaft and input to my local bearing supplier and we came up with a new heavier duty and hardened bearing that fit the main shaft and was smaller in diameter than the input shaft. Because the new bearing had a harnened inner race to slide on the main shaft and also a harnened outter race I took the main shaft to a friend of mine that owns a machine shop and had him buiild me a pressed in sleeve for my input shaft that would allow me to use the new bearing. All assembled and working fine. Bearing was $70 and the machine work was $130. I have pictures of the entire process. Doe"s that earn me a $100 ?

verniebernie, Thanks for the information but I have to reneig on the 100 bucks for two reasons. One - I was hoping for a source for the original and as you found there isn't one. Second I also in the process of solving the issue and before I obtained the salvage bearing which solved my problem, had already gone to a bearing supplier (Motion Industries) and they also found the bearing you mentioned, I think the number is NA 4950 but I'd have to check at the barn to be sure. It's sitting on the shelf! It has the 25 mm bore, 18 mm height, and as you note a smaller OD. I think it cost me about $45 plus shipping but I'd have to see if I can find the reciept. Any way I have it as a back up with my original shaft if I need it. I'd like to see the picture of the bearing you obtained and the part number in case it's better (hardened) than the one I have and I'll post a picture of mine and confirm the part number. Maybe some one else searching the web will need the information. I wish I had a friend that owned a machine shop. I'd didn't have my shaft machined after I found the salvage bearing at Wayde's place. But at least with your information I have some idea what it would cost if I have to. By the way, where did you find a new input shaft? I looked all over for a new one but ended up using the salvage one. I'm hoping the seal holds up!!! Sorry about the $100.
 
verniebernie, I forgot to ask you to post the pictures of the process if you would so everyone can see the solution to this issue. With parts getting scarce I'm sure there will be more folks looking for a fix because this bearing is in a lot of different models. It will be a few days before I can get my bearing photo posted.
Craig
 
Sorry for the delay on getting this photo posted. The alternate part number for this bearing is NA 4950 and I purchased it from Motion Industries. If you go this route you will have to have a sleeve made for your input shaft due to the OD of this bearing being smaller than the original. I haven't done mine because it's a backup now since I found an original bearing.

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This is a picture of the shaft and bearing from a Dexta manual. I copied this from another post by verniebernie. Thanks Verniebernie..
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I found a place that says they have the bearing. Just in case anyone that needs one thinks there isn't one anywhere in the world as you told them. It is called AHR international.

This is their web page with the bearing number in the third column scroll down to the C5NN7133A.
https://www.ahrinternational.com/oemnames/FORD.shtml

Their contact e mail for info is. [email protected]
 
(quoted from post at 08:49:00 02/12/23) I found a place that says they have the bearing. Just in case anyone that needs one thinks there isn't one anywhere in the world as you told them. It is called AHR international.

This is their web page with the bearing number in the third column scroll down to the C5NN7133A.
https://www.ahrinternational.com/oemnames/FORD.shtml

Their contact e mail for info is. [email protected]

thanks for the information. I will keep it for reference.
 

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