Ford 3000 (diesel) Engine Block Viewing Window!

AV8R185

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Very new to the forum and starting out with a problem ... hope to get some advice and direction. I recently bought a 1972 Ford 3000 diesel. Did a lot of cosmetic work and then ran it for less than two hours and the connecting rod in the #3 cylinder decided to venture outside the motor!!! I have limited engine work experience and am concerned about how to go about this repair.
1. Advice on approx. cost for me to get a used block, and rebuild the motor.
2. Any good ideas on where to get a used diesel engine? Is this a better way to go?
3. Any direction and advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Looks like it took a nice piece out of the camshaft and let a tappet drop out of its bore, too. Not much to save below the head gasket except maybe the oilpan & drainplug.
 
Lot's of places to get your replacement stuff. Try Wengers in Meyerstown PA Rippees used tractor parts in MO. Both great places..Google them for contact info
 
That just bites the biscuit.
Sorry to see/hear that on your new to you tractor.
Where did you get it? Any recourse via the seller?

Used engine looks like your only remedy.

Pete
 
As far as the block goes, if the block only has a hole in it, do you think you could repair the hole with some epoxy filler or JB weld, Rick? i know he"ll need a new cam and crank and rods, etc but maybe the block might be salvagable.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your "new" tractor. I agree, see if Jerry (UltradogMN) can help with parts.
On a lighter note, I assume from your user name you must own/fly a C185. I got about 30 minutes in a C185 about 25-30 years ago. Owned a C170 for a few years.
 
Alan, Mark,
Thanks for the plug.
I wish I had an engine for him.
I have a block and a head but only a crank for a 158 not a 175.
I would start looking for a complete engine if it were me.
I bought a complete 201D 3 years ago for $800 and sold a complete 175D about a year and a half ago for $750. Both were good runners.
That's a LOT cheaper than finding the parts and having something rebuilt.
 
Thank you for the advice and words of wisdom. I particularly
have appreciated some advise from UltradogMN. I have some better
ideas on how to proceed, I"m sure a few of you can relate but
it"s a matter not only of finances but time and approval from
the "war department". I am actively looking for a good deal on
a used tractor with a bad tranny or a used engine etc. if
anyone has any leads feel free to let me know. Again thanks
for the insights!!!
 
Yes, at one time I flew 185's -my favorite all time plane. Still fly but nothing as fun as the ol' sky wagon! Thanks for the sympathies!
 
I have a friend who knows little if anything about tractors but likes old cars, he suggested the same thing, cover the whole in the block, goop it up and rebuild. I'm not so sure, I guess I would like to know what folks think of that idea as well. I should say that the primary use of the tractor is not everyday heavy farming -rather its cutting a field a few times a year, doing some dirt pushing from time to time and just a great stress reliever (althought the hole in the block did not do any stress releiving, I can tell you that for sure)!
 
Pete, thanks for the concern, no real recourse, I bought it from a farmer in upstate NY. I was the rookie fool that bought what I am sure he knew about! Not happy but little recourse, as is sale - used etc. you know the gig. I still love the tractor but do wonder what I was thinking with this one in particular. Still a lesson learned and I guess some valuable experience to come!
 
By any chance were there any old dealer stickers on it, we sold those new outside of troy ny, ps, ny father also had a Cessna 170, don't see too many of those doing that, really wonder what in heck caused it, hopefully you will find another motor or what the heck, build one up nice and enjoy that 3000, great little tractor.
 
Looking at that bottom photo again it looks like you broke a rod bolt and that's why it let loose.
That's not something the guy who sold it to could have forseen happening.
 
Nope... but I do live here...
They're pretty reliable to deal with. I think Rick got some stuff from them a while back so mabey he can fill you in a bit more on the shipping end of things. I just have them ship Midland ground on this side.

Rod
 
A lot depends on how fast you want to get it running again and how much the individual parts cost. You"ll have to line up an crank, rod(s), cam, etc make sure that the hole is the only damage to the block , etc. Then compare the price and the timing to gather and install all the parts to the price of a used or remanucactured engine.
Bad car engine castings were repaired that way at the factory as long as the flaw was below a certain size and was in a non-critical area. However car engines are not structural to the chasis and that"s not the case with a tractor engine. See if the Ford shop manaul recomends this as a repair process.
 
I've got a Jubilee 134 engine that blew rod No 1 through the oil pump and cam and out the side. I had the rod journal ground 0.010 undersize. I found used camshaft and oil pump and piston and rod. I had a friend weld in a piece of thin stainless steel that was domed up a bit, so that when it shrunk it had some give in it. I'm going to try it in the tractor. Bought a 172 spare just in case.

This same friend has a skidsteer engine that spun bearing on No 1 rod of the 3 cyl engine. He's trying to fix it up, but might find another engine. He's located in MN. You used to be able to buy an India-sourced new engine for just about the cost of rebuilding. They were built for Farmtrac tractors. It's possible that the Montana-Branson dealers might have some.
 
providing there is no internal problems have an experienced welder build a patch and then rebuild. block wall only keeps oil inside. good luck hopefully crank,cam,& internals are in good shape
 
AV8R185
Do a very good inspection before you try to repair!
The hole is not your issue, it can be welded up very easily, the crank journals and caps are critical! The new cam will also need new bearings installed
If there are any main bearing caps broken or cracked, don't repair, at least that was what I was told regarding my 1979 4600 with a 201 Diesel with #1 rod doing the same thing. You can search, the pictures should be still in stuck and troubled.
Brian
 

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