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Ultradog MN

08-30-2012 07:10:01
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I know it's been posted here a hundred times but does anyone have the Napa part # for a 12v coil that does not require a ballast resister?
Thanks




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Jetbird

09-16-2012 18:37:03
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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to Ultradog MN, 08-30-2012 07:10:01  
Is this IC14SB the proper coil for my 1967 Ford model 3400 (3 cyl)? My coil's high tension connection is disintegrating. My coil also has a little can that looks like a condenser attached to its mounting strap and its wire is hooked to the battery side low tension connection of the coil. Should I reuse this little "condenser" with the new coil or is it unnecessary?



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NoNewParts

08-31-2012 04:42:42
67.240.145.25



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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to buckeyebrierhopper, 08-30-2012 07:10:01  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

same here, better one roughly triple $

Farm-country store and they always have the cheap one in stock

for us tractor guys. Have to order the expensive one if you want it.



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Jerry/MT

08-30-2012 18:09:59
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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to Ultradog MN, 08-30-2012 07:10:01  
IC-14SB



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Jerry/MT

08-30-2012 18:09:35
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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to Ultradog MN, 08-30-2012 07:10:01  
IC-14SB



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Cast Iron Toy

08-30-2012 16:27:59
98.16.159.65



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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to Ultradog MN, 08-30-2012 07:10:01  
From a Napa Parts Manager and a Antique tractor addict. The IC 14 Premium coil is worth few extra dollars over the less expensive one if you are going to keep it and care about it. Good luck.



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soundguy

08-30-2012 18:49:48
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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to Cast Iron Toy, 08-30-2012 16:27:59  
it's better? proove it. So far.. I see that it costs more... and doesn't do anything else .

post the schematics to both.

I've seen way too many instances of relabeled consumer electronics parts that one is a premium due to a lable..

we need to see wire diameter of the primary and secondary, and insulation type.

# of turns in the primary and secondary.

dc resistance or impeadance value of the primary and secondary. , inductance if available.

case material, and thickness

potting type

thermal disipation characteristics.

post and terminal materials.

I've been sent the schematic fromthe ic14sb...

there simply hasn't been much if any major advances in ignition coil technology for these old can style coils..... or for that fact.. anything dealing with a breaker style kettering ignition in the last 40 years...

Spark gap is going to be the major contributing factor to KV potential.. and dealing with gaps in the .024-.026 range... we aren't anywhere near taxing the capability of this make of coil secondary..

practical testing thru use on many tractors shows us the rmary is stable and robust..

what kind of tangible electro/mechanical gain is there in the other 33% cost? longevity?

If one oil is 20 and one is 30.. where are we going to see a practical gain? I've personally got ic14sb coils over 10ys old. thus their lifespan is at least 10ys.

would that 10$ not be better served in an interest bearing account o that 20? years down the line when the cheap POS ic14sb coil fails you can buy another and get another 20ys out of it? vs? how many onthe IC14? will it live 30 years? Is that going to be a practical financial gain?

just saying.. I'm looking for the practical / tangible gan that 10$ buys me. Having an engineering degree, I'm usually skeptical about claims of one component being better than another when both provide the same outcome.. and the cheap one is going strong..:)

not being argumentative here.. I'm actually asking for that info.

if the data bears out something tangible.. then we will know.

better potting? better thermal properties? thicker case? more corrosion restant terminals? heavier wire gauge? better internal insulatoion? those would all be tangible measureable improvements that could be taken into consideration .

I guess I'm saying that if a 20g shotgun kils a bird dead, dead, is there much gain shooting it with a 12g and it being dead, dead, dead ? :) ( no return on extra investment if the cheap one does it all and lasts i guess is my point.. )

any data from napa to backup the claim?

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soundguy

08-30-2012 08:02:14
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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to Ultradog MN, 08-30-2012 07:10:01  
IC14SB it should cost about 17$ now, depending on your location.. may be more far west or northeast.

Be carefull they do not try to sell you a straight IC14 it will be a 50-60$ coil!! ( their premium line.. the SB is their economy line ).



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awhtx

08-30-2012 15:06:42
72.26.142.171



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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to soundguy, 08-30-2012 08:02:14  
I checked my closest NAPA on-line and they sell the "Mileage Plus" IC14SB for $23 or the "Echlin" IC14 for $33.50. Might be worth spending the extra $10.50 if you're going to keep the tractor for a while.



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soundguy

08-30-2012 15:39:01
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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to awhtx, 08-30-2012 15:06:42  
amazing how much difference there is in different regions!

our local store sells the sb line for under 20..adn the straight line for 50+

it's me real belief that it's the same coil.. with white lettering on the cheap one.. and the blue /yellow logo on the other.. ;)

I've yet to have anSB line coil fail.. they are decent oil potted ones.. pretty nice for the price.



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awhtx

08-30-2012 16:37:53
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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to soundguy, 08-30-2012 15:39:01  
I would not be surprised if they are the same coil. I'm convinced that the 1 yr warranty alternator and the lifetime warranty alternator are exactly the same. You just pay twice as much for the lifetime one and they hope you sell the car before it fails and they have to replace it.



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3000OH

09-01-2012 08:19:59
96.24.176.207



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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to awhtx, 08-30-2012 16:37:53  
Slightly OT, but that's exactly what my father told me about water heater tank warranties.



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soundguy

08-30-2012 16:52:29
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 Re: Napa Coil # in reply to awhtx, 08-30-2012 16:37:53  
i -know- for a fact that's how it is on their starters.

I needed a starter for my 98 dodge ram truck. called napa.. they had 'one' in stock auto zone was out.. so went to napa.. guy sets it on the counter and takes my core.. asks me if I want the 3m 1yr or lifetime warranty..:)

same starter.. just different money. I just laughed.. :)



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