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How much does my tractor weigh?

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Mark K

02-10-2012 14:33:38

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I bought a trailer to haul the old girl around. The trailer bed is 16ftx 6.3ft, I'll have 1.5 inches on either side when loading. :~O

The trailer does not have brakes, and NM says anything over 3000lbs gross needs em. Do you suppose a 601 with loader and the trailer will be more than 3K lbs?? Thanks.

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Sean in PA

02-13-2012 04:44:13

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 14:33:38  
Interstate commerce laws do apply, and as long as your trailer meets all applicable federal laws and the laws of the state that issued the title and registration, you should be free to drive it through any other state.
Now that won't stop some local law enforcement officer who is ignorant of these facts, or who chooses to ignore them in favor of increasing local revenues, from trying to issue you a citation in another state, but you should be able to fight it successfully. Local law enforcement do this a lot, as they think that since you're from out of state that you'll simply pay the fine rather than travel back to their state for a court date a month or more later, and the majority of people do just bite the bullet and pay the fine.

Here in Pennsylvania they do not issue front license plates for cars and small trucks, and it is legal for me to drive my car or truck into any other state in the country, yet while in another state, a local law enforcement officer tried to issue me a citation for not having a front license plate. I demanded that a superior officer be called and the young man was put in his place by his superior and I was allowed to go on my way.

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it me again

02-11-2012 07:11:46

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 14:33:38  
hate to tell you with loader... it over 5,400 pound ... i would said over 6,000 pound and i would used eletric brake period if no brake no stop it

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Michaels Dad

02-11-2012 06:09:32

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 Re: Wow! Lots of info, thanks! in reply to Jerry/MT, 02-10-2012 14:33:38  
Brakes brakes brakes.

When I moved my 640 with shredder and scraper blade 300+ miles the pucker factor went off the chart.

The Tahoe did fine going, but the stopping was an adventure (no brake trailer), smelled brakes every time even on a stop from a slow speed.

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02-10-2012 19:55:25

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 14:33:38  
It will be over 4000# unless it's got wheel weights or CaCl in the tires... and then it will be over 5000#.


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02-10-2012 17:22:01

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 14:33:38  
You should check the weight rating of your axles too. Since they don't have brakes, they may be too light for the load you want to carry. It may be more feasible to replace the axles with the proper weight rating and brakes already installed. Here's some info that may help you.

Wheels and tires need to match the trailer load capacity. For wheels, the best indication is the number of lugs. 1000# and 2000# axles often have 4 lugs, 3500# axles usually have 5 or 6, and 6000# + axles have 6 or 8 in a larger pattern. It is not necessary to use "trailer" specific wheels and tires, but the load rating must be appropriate. Often automotive wheels and tires can be used to give a wider range of options and a better ride. Again, just make sure the load ratings are sufficient.

SELECTING THE PROPER TRAILER AXLE When selecting an axle for your application remember to consider the following important specifications: •
LOAD CAPACITY: the load rating of the axle must support the maximum gross vehicle weight rating. For multiple axle trailers divide the GVWR by the number of axles to determine the minimum load capacity of each axle. •
TRACK LENGTH: measure your axle track length by determining the distance between the center of one tire to the center of the other tire. A more precise measurement can be made by measuring the distance from one 'HUB FACE' to the other. The hub face is also known as the mounting surface where the wheel studs are located. •
SPRING CENTERS: measure the distance from the center of one spring to the center of the other. NOTE: not required for replacement torsion axles •
OVERALL LENGTH: measure the distance from the very end of an axle's spindle to the very end of the opposite spindle. •
AXLE STYLE: important when reusing old mounting hardware and also for proper tire clearance. Includes straight axles (round or square), drop axles with offset spindles, and torsion axles. Also consider spindle size when reusing existing hubs or drums. •
AXLE CAMBER: Most trailer axles are designed with a “bend” in the tube that will deflect when the load (weight of the trailer) is applied. This will theoretically bring the trailer wheel camber toward a 0 value that is the best setting for most trailer applications. This will allow the tires to wear evenly and allow the longest tread life. Camber can be affected by damage to the axle. For example, if the axle spindle is bent, this will usually cause a negative camber on that side which will cause excess tread wear on the inside of that tire.

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Mark K

02-10-2012 21:15:32

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 Wow! Lots of info, thanks! in reply to GlenIdaho, 02-10-2012 17:22:01  

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02-10-2012 15:02:15

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 14:33:38  
601/801 owners manual lists shipping weight of a 661 at 2812 lbs. Add a loader and you're well over 3000 lbs just for the tractor. If you have fluid in the tires, you're probably close to 4000. Plus the weight of the trailer....old is right...get some brakes.

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02-10-2012 14:43:23

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 14:33:38  
Well since an 8N comes in around 2500lbs and that is just the tractor you gots problems. You can figure the loader to be around 1500lbs and if you have no fluid in the tires and no weights on it your tractor will with out the loader be around 3000lbs if not more so yep you have a problem. Brakes are not hard to come by and most can have the backing plate and all installed on the axles you have. Ya it is going to cost you around $150 per side if not more or you could buy an axle with brakes and put it on.

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Mark K

02-10-2012 15:38:12

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to old, 02-10-2012 14:43:23  
Thanks, I can do that, I would think one axle would be enough yes?

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02-12-2012 17:36:46

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 15:38:12  
Ohio only requires one axle but next door in Indiana they require on both. As far as I know with the trailer registered in Ohio I am legal to go in Indiana tho as issuing state is dominate rulls.

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02-10-2012 18:46:45

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 15:38:12  
My trailer is very much like yours or should I say it started off like yours. It has brakes on the back axle but I would love to have them on both at times. I also cut the rails down in the back so if I have a wider tractor I can roll it up on the rails and that works just fine and I have done it to many times over the years but it works

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02-10-2012 15:55:45

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 15:38:12  

While one axle is better than none, go ahead and put em on both axles. You won't be sorry. Many states require that you have brakes on both axles. You leave NM and you may be asking for an inspection. If nothing else, adding brakes will add value to your trailer and peace of mind to you.

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02-10-2012 15:49:15

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 Re: How much does my tractor weigh? in reply to Mark K, 02-10-2012 15:38:12  
figure 1700# for a 16' tandem car hauler with wood deck.. that plus the teactor.. and you need a 5k setup.

thus.. you will want and NEED brakes, if for safety alone.

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Mark K

02-10-2012 16:28:01

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 I'm sold, thanks, I'll do both. in reply to soundguy, 02-10-2012 15:49:15  


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