172 ci ford industrial engine

mike romanetto · Jun 8, 2010

Hello to all I have a question. We have an old Broderson boom crane with what we are told a 172 Ford engine in it that has no compression in the 2 inner cylinders. D3JL-6015J are the casting numbers on the block by the dipstick. From what I have on the internet it tells me that it is a 1973, am I correct? I need to rebuild this engine and the outfit that has worked on the machine in the past say that the casting numbers don't mean a thing and that it is a 1964 engine. Does it matter and would anyone out there have any info on where I could get the specs for rebuilding this. Thanks Mike

souNdguy · Jun 8, 2010

I don't know when ford stopped making the 4 cyl engines.. but I know they stopepd putitng them in tractors in 64.. pas tthat they went to the 3 cyl series.

if you are lucky it's a blown head gasket betweent he 2 cyls.

soundguy

mike romanetto · Jun 8, 2010

Thanks for the info, I hope its a blown head gasket but then again it isn't showing and signs of leaking or loosing any coolant.

souNdguy · Jun 8, 2010

might just be bypassing between the cyls...

soundguy

mike romanetto · Jun 8, 2010

I sure hope that's all it is.

souNdguy · Jun 8, 2010

let us know when you pull the head

soundguy

Dean · Jun 8, 2010

I agree with Soundguy. It sounds like a head gasket blown between #2 and #3. Not uncommon.

Soundguy: Ford continued to make the four cylinder engine for industrial use until the mid 1970s. I believe that my 192 industrial is a 1976. Hopefully, I will someday get around to installing it in my 64 4000 S-O-S.

Dean

Errin OH · Jun 8, 2010

I suspect you have a 192 cubic in industrial engine. But the only difference between a 172 and a 192 is the bore and possibly casting (D3JL = 192, D2JL = 172 per a rebuilders parts list) both are 1970's vintage.

See the link for decoding the casting numbers.

The J on the end is often used to identify the size. C for 134, J for 172. I have no info on it other than the link says it is the engeering version.

The only way to be sure is to measure the bore. A 172 will be close to 3.90, A 192 will be at least 4.125, likely more with wear.

BTW - If the previous outfit has never been inside the engine they wouldn't know the difference. Everything including head, rods, crank, and bearings is the same between the 134 and 172, bore is the only difference. Only other difference I know of in all the years production was the switch from sleevs to sleeveless around 1960. My "GUESS" is the 192 is the same way given the thickness of the cylinder walls of the later blocks. There where some updates like a nut vs. a spring clip, gear vs. rotary oil pump, slot vs. hex dist drive, etc.. but for the most part the main castings changed very little other than the move to sleeveless.
Ford casting information

souNdguy · Jun 8, 2010

wow.. mid 70's.. I'm surprised they didn't switch to the 3 cyl jobs as industrials... though perhaps they knew the 4 cyls were a good engine ( at least I like them anyway..)

I bet that 4000 will scream with a 192 in her.

is the 172 tired.. or you just looking for some more hp to play with?

soundguy

Dean · Jun 8, 2010

A bit of both.

I do not believe that the original 172 has ever been overhauled. It starts and runs great and does not smoke or use oil but has more blowby out the breather than I like.

The 192 is a converted natural gas engine (small combustion chamber head) with a bit over 9:1 CR. It should make close to 70 PTO HP on gasoline while using lots of it. I have a 192 CI carburetor for it.

My engine powered a back up pump in a city firehouse for about twenty years before replacement with a diesel. It only started when the power was out and has very, very low hours.

I want to overhaul the S-O-S when I do the swap and have not yet made plans to tackle the project.

Dean

alg · Jun 8, 2010

When i worked at Ford.They used Mercury tugs to haul parts around the plant.they had the 172 cu.in.engine in them.they ran on propane.

souNdguy · Jun 8, 2010

them propane engines are darn clean inside..

soundguy

souNdguy · Jun 8, 2010

wow, nice.

the smoke issue reminds me of my 850.. smokes a lil thru the breather.. none thru the muffler.. go figure..

well worn and lotsa hard hours on her before i ever saw her.. starts pretty easy ( on 12v ) and runs good... can't complain..

soundguy

showcrop · Jun 8, 2010

Doesn't the 192 have a round flat surface cast into the rt. lower front ahead of the dist. for a mounting place for a fuel pump when required?

Dean · Jun 9, 2010

All industrial engines whether 134, 172 or 192 CI have provision for fuel pump mounting.

Dean

mike romanetto · Jun 9, 2010

I will be pulling the head on Thursday. One thing I forgot to mention and its a big one really,is that when I checked the oil for water it had a lot of gas in it. I changed the oil just to get it out and found that I had about 7 quarts in it and I know the engine only takes 5, so about 2 quarts of gas. I'm not sure that a blown head gasket would cause this I know a bad fuel pump will and or bad rings. Anyway its sounding more like a 192 then? Thanks mike

Anonymous-0 · Jun 9, 2010

Hello,
If you are in need of engine parts for this engine, I have a 172 sitting on my garage floor that is about to be parted out.
Dave
802-782-2409
Vermont

mike romanetto · Jun 10, 2010

How much you asking? Thanks mike

Anonymous-0 · Jun 10, 2010

Mike,

$500.00

Dave Shea
802-782-2409

Dalefdoyle · Mar 20, 2024

Dean said:
I agree with Soundguy. It sounds like a head gasket blown between #2 and #3. Not uncommon.

Soundguy: Ford continued to make the four cylinder engine for industrial use until the mid 1970s. I believe that my 192 industrial is a 1976. Hopefully, I will someday get around to installing it in my 64 4000 S-O-S.

Dean

Dean would you like to sell your 192

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