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Installing second hydraulic pump on 5610

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Glenn Mackenzie

03-27-2006 00:54:17
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Hi guys,
I have a 5610 III which I want to put a second hydraulic pump on. I know some 5610's came out with them on as standard but mine hasn't. Where abouts does it mount on the tractor and how do I plumb it in? I'll have to go to the wreckers to see if he's got one there.
Thanks for your help,
Glenn




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RodInNS

03-27-2006 09:17:18
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 Re: Installing second hydraulic pump on 5610 in reply to Glenn Mackenzie, 03-27-2006 00:54:17  
I would suggest that you simply buy a new pump. It will probably cost you 500, but then you know clear out what you have, with a guarntee. Used Sauer/Sunstrand/Danfoss aluminum housing bushing type gear pumps are not a good proposistion in my view. To hook the pump up you will need the suction line that attaches to the rear axle center section on the right hand side, and the pressure line from the pump to the priority valve pack under the seat. ALSO, you will need to install a combining/sequencing valve in the priority valve pack to control the pump flow, and unload the pump when the remotes are not demanding oil. In case you are not aware of this, the second pump will NOT supply oil to the 3-point hitch. It is solely for the purpose of boosting flow to the closed center remotes. The second pump is mounted on the left hand side of the engine, driven off a gear on the rear of the cam. That should set you up. Good luck.

Rod

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Glenn Mackenzie

04-01-2006 00:23:25
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 Re: Installing second hydraulic pump on 5610 in reply to RodInNS, 03-27-2006 09:17:18  
Hi Rod,
It seems that the email feature of the forums isn't working so could you please email me at glennmackenzie@xtra.co.nz and I'll email you back a photo of the area below the seat.
Many thanks,
Glenn



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Glenn Mackenzie

03-28-2006 01:22:08
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 Re: Installing second hydraulic pump on 5610 in reply to RodInNS, 03-27-2006 09:17:18  
Hi Rod,
Thanks for the info. Do you know what the flow rate is of the engine mount pump? I've searched all over the internet but cannot find it anywhere. Part # is E1NN600AA. Basically I want to dedicate this pump to run the FEL so I don't have to continually pull/push the button below the seat to swap from loader to 3pt + remotes. The pump needs to have at least the same flow as the standard trans mount pump for it to be viable.

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RodInNS

03-28-2006 09:24:55
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 Re: Installing second hydraulic pump on 5610 in reply to Glenn Mackenzie, 03-28-2006 01:22:08  
Hi Glenn,

The flow rating on the second pump for that tractor should be 8.5 US GPM at 2500 psi. I don't know the part # off hand, but I'll assume you got the right one. Now, this part is getting tricky. I assumed you had the delux closed center remote valves. If you did, you shouldn't have to pull any valve to use the loader..... So, do you have any factory remotes, or have you just plumbed an open center valve to the ASC valve port? As far as I know, the 10 series tractors should all have a priority valve pack that allows them to use the closed center remotes....... but I'm not sure on that. The basic idea with the second pump that you listed is to provide additional flow to the remote circuit.... up to 18.2 GPM, while the 3-point maintains priority on the main pump at 9.7 GPM. This system allows you to use the 3-point and remote circuits at the same time. When the 3-point is lifting, it takes the main pump flow, and the remotes get the second pumps flow, and when the 3-point is raised, the flows are again combined, and sent to the remotes, as demanded.
If you don't have any factory valves on the tractor.... and have just plumbed into the ASC valve, and you simply want a separate pump to power the loader, then I would look at a self contained hydraulic system with a front mount pump drive with a stinger shaft off the crank. That way you can size a pump to about 15-20 gpm which is a good size for a decent size loader. Personally, I would look at what parts are needed to install the closed center valves, and also install a closed center loader valve. Dunno what you want..... That could be a fair bit $$$$$$ too. If you could post a picture of the area of that valve you pull (under the seat) it would be a help too. I could see what setup is there, and mabey suggest what other parts you need. HTH.

Rod

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Glenn Mackenzie

03-30-2006 00:04:43
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 Re: Installing second hydraulic pump on 5610 in reply to RodInNS, 03-28-2006 09:24:55  
Hi Rod,
Many thanks for your time and help, it's much appreciated! I like your idea of running a second pump off the crank with a bigger capacity to power the loader, the most annoying thing about working with machinery is slow hydraulics! I'll take some photos of the current setup in the weekend and email them to you, this way you'll be able to see what's what. The FEL valve is an Open centre joystick type, so the only big cost in installing a new pump would be the pump itself and the required hosing. I'm pretty sure the control valve has a built in releif valve, but I will have to double check that. How exactly would you mount the pump to run off the crank, is there a mounting position on the engine or will I have to weld up a bracket etc?
Once again many thanks for your help Rod, you've been great!
I'll email those pics to you in the weekend, should make things a bit easier!
Best regards,
Glenn

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sotxbill

03-27-2006 05:47:50
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 Re: Installing second hydraulic pump on 5610 in reply to Glenn Mackenzie, 03-27-2006 00:54:17  
one was in the right hand side below the step, just behind the transmission.. the other would be mounted on the left hand side on the rear of the engine.



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