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JoeA

04-01-2003 19:37:32




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anyone know of a good source of timing instructions....i need to time my 641...took out distributor without marking it..now i need to start from scratch...manual is not much help..thanks




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Oldfarmboy Jim

04-03-2003 21:15:19




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 Re: 641 timing in reply to JoeA, 04-01-2003 19:37:32  
Joe,
On the same side of the tractor as the distributor, there is a timing inspection port about an inch or so in diameter. It is on the front of what I call the bell housing an there should be a dust cover or plug inserted in it. The front of the flywheel is visible through this port. Ford very thoughtfully scribed timing marks on the flywheel so that you can tell exactly where 0 degrees TDC is located. As the previous gent suggested, remove the plugs and take off the distributor cap. Put your thumb over the #1 cyl. spark plug hole and pull the engine through until you get to 0 degrees TDC AND you feel air being forced out passed your thumb. Now you are at compression stroke TDC. At this point, position your distributor. The little oil fitting on the dist. should be pointing directly away from the engine block and maybe a little forward. The rotor should be pointing almost dirctly aft. Now you are right in the ballpark. The plug wires as you put the cap on the dist. should be #1 aft, #2 right next to the engine block. It should fire right up and with a timing light you can fine adjust the timing before you bolt the dist. down tight. I just did this procedure on an 841 that someone had installed the dist. about 90 degrees off. Fortunately, they were smart enough to ensure that the rotor was pointing at #1 when the timing mark was at 5 degrees BTDC, so it ran OK. It just didn't look right when I compared it to the pictures in the shop manual, so I set it back to the factory position. Hope this is clear enough to be useful to you. Good luck, Jim

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Tom

04-02-2003 05:54:16




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 Re: 641 timing in reply to JoeA, 04-01-2003 19:37:32  
Another approach that works for me is to get a piece of copper wire about 6-10inches long and bend the end of it, in case you lose or it slips out of your fingers.

Remove the cap etc. etc etc.

Leave rotor on.

Loosen the two bolts holding the Distributor clamps to the block so you can turn the distributor to adjust timing.

Remove plug number 1. and note where plug number 1 should be according to your distributor cap.

Gently feel the wire into the chamber through the removed sparkplug hole, and at the same time, assuming your fanbelt is snug enough (tractor in neutral and THE BATTERY DISCONNECTED turn the fan blade thus turning the motor over by hand.

After some turns of the blade, you will feel the piston hit the end of the wire and push it up or, as it drops down the wire should slide inward a tadbit.

You could loosen the other plugs so you are not fighting compression if turning the fan blade by hand.


Keep turning until you get the feel of it, and the wire sliding up and down. When the wire reaches the top make a small mark on it. That is TDC either in compression (which is what you want) or in exhuast or very close to it..

Note the rotor location. It should be at number one according to the cap or, 180 degrees off..opposite of where it should be in TDC 1 Compression Rotor at #1 plug wire..

Turn the blade until you get the rotor at #1 according to the cap.

Tighen up the plugs, replace the plug. Install wires and cap. Gently snug the bolts holding the distirbutor to the block but loose enoough to turn the distributor as it is idling.

Give it a try fire it up...

Either it will fire right up, or it will want to fire up, but may spit and cough and wheez and snort, and backfire and sound like you just kicked a sleeping wild pig in the hind end. If it does that...your 180 degrees off.

If it fires up and runs, just slightly turn the distributor as it is running one way or the other until you can time it and tune it by ear. Turning it too much and you will hear it bog down, and turn it the other way too much and it will bog down. Practice it and find the inbetween place where it hums and evens out niceley.

You can practice this easy enough. After a small while you will find this is very easy and now if I remove the distributor and forget to mark the rotor I don't fret about it. It works for me in a couple minutes or less.

Good luck.

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JoeA

04-02-2003 07:33:56




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 Re: Re: 641 timing in reply to Tom, 04-02-2003 05:54:16  
Tom,thanks for that method...it sounds simple enough for even a dummy like me...my only question is...when i'm trying to find the compression stroke i know i will feel it on my hand if i remove the spark plug....BUT...if it is in the exhaust stroke and the piston comes TDC will i not feel as much pressure on my hand because of pressure loss to the exhaust valve?....i guess what i am asking is how do i determine the exhaust stroke as oppossed to the compression stroke...thanks

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Tom

04-02-2003 08:22:41




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 Re: Re: Re: 641 timing in reply to JoeA, 04-02-2003 07:33:56  
In my method, you have 50/50 chance of getting compression stroke. But you will know it, if the rotor is 180 off from position from #1 on the plug. If it snorts and backfires and seems to want to start but doesn't that is my indication it's in exhaust. So, I turn the rotor until it lines up with the number 1 wire plug. Then try to start it.

The other method as Tlak describes is to keep all three plugs tight but remove plug 1 and as you strecth to reach the starter button and push it, you can feel the compression over the hole if you stretch and plug that hole tight with a finger. Just do short quick burst of the starter button as you feel this.

You can do that at first, then you will know you are in compression...then do the wire method turning the fan and the next time the piston comes up it will be in exhaust, and then turn the fan some more until the wire moves up and you're back into compression.

As you try it, and think about it as you do it, it will come together for you easy enough. It just takes a little patience and practice at first. But you will get it. Believe me, if I can do that, you can do it!

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tlak

04-02-2003 04:15:55




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 Re: 641 timing in reply to JoeA, 04-01-2003 19:37:32  
Take out the front plug(#1) towards radiator put your thumb over the hole and have somebody bump the starter till you fill compression starting to push your finger away,stop get a wire and feel inthe hole for the piston get a wrench and turn the engine forward or back till you feel the piston all the way at the top. If the cap is still wired up follow the number one plug wire to the cap and install the dist with the rotor pointing to this wire. If the caps not wired install dist with the rotor pointing towards the back of the tractor slightly in towards the engine. Standing on the side of the tractor facing the dist point the rotor at about 11:00 oclock. Right behind your hyd pump is a pipe plug which gives you access to the flywheel where your timing marks are.

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