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'63 2000 ignition (?) problem

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Rob in TN

07-31-2002 13:23:42
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I have a '63 2000 which is giving me problems. After heating up it will start to cut out and then die, especially under a load. Let sit a couple of minutes and it will start fine and run a few more minutes, then same thing again. After some doing some digging and searching around this site it sounds like the coil is a common culprit here, but my problem is that this tractor has been converted to 12v at some point so I'm not sure where to find a replacement coil or what to ask for. Any suggestions as to this or other problems would be most appreciated!
Oh, I am also needing an oil dipstick, any suggestions where to find that as well? I have done business with Mike's Tractors before with good results, but they don't list them in their catalog. Any good salvage yards? TIA

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Rob in TN

08-01-2002 06:29:29
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 Re: '63 2000 ignition (?) problem in reply to Rob in TN, 07-31-2002 13:23:42  
After taking a better look at the tractor, it appears that the conversion was very recent (I've only had the tractor a couple of months). The alternator, coil, and some of the other electical parts seem to be practically brand new. With this in mind, is there something else I should be looking for? I don't think that the ignition switch is new, any way to test to see if that is the problem?



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MarkB

08-02-2002 03:15:15
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 Re: Re: '63 2000 ignition (?) problem in reply to Rob in TN, 08-01-2002 06:29:29  
Rob,

If the conversion was done without a resistor (or resistor coil), the coil and points will fail quickly. Also, coils with internal resistors don't seem to last very long.

You need isolate the problem to the ignition system, if possible. When it starts acting up, will closing the choke help? If so, then look in the fuel system.

When it's running good, check to make sure you don't have a dead cylinder by pulling the spark plug wires one at a time. It could be that one or two cylinders are missing all of the time, and you lose another once it's warmed up.

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Rob in TN

08-02-2002 18:45:33
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 Re: Re: Re: '63 2000 ignition (?) problem in reply to MarkB, 08-02-2002 03:15:15  
Thanks for the ideas. I wish that I had the tractor here where I could devote more time to diagnosing it, hopefully I will have some time to do it next week. I did use it for a few minutes today and noticed that now when it does start to do it, it just dies straight out, where in the beginning it would sputter and miss some before dying. I saw on another post where someone suggested a possible gas cap problem, I have noticed that when it dies (or after shutting it off) that you can hear what sounds like bubbles under pressure in the gas tank, I never noticed that with my other tractor. Probably nothing, just something I noticed.

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MarkB

08-01-2002 03:24:38
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 Re: '63 2000 ignition (?) problem in reply to Rob in TN, 07-31-2002 13:23:42  
When your tractor was converted to 12V, whoever did the conversion did one of three things:
Used the original 12V coil and added an in-line resistor. (Good)
Switched the coil with one that has an internal resistor. (OK)
Used the original coil and didn't bother to add a resistor. (Bad)

You need to see if there is an external resistor on your tractor. You can look for it, but you might not find it. You can test for a resistor with a voltmeter:

1. Turn the ignition switch on.

2. Read the voltage from ground to the coil terminal that is connected to the distributor. If this voltage is not zero, then the points are open and you'll have to bump the starter until the points close and the voltage drops to zero.

3. Once the points are closed, read the voltage from ground to the coil terminal that is NOT connected to the distributor. If this is 12 to 13 volts, then there is no external resistor. If the voltage is around 6 to 8 volts, then you have an external resistor.

The coil you need is a standard automotive coil available at most auto parts stores. Just bring in your old coil and they should be able to match it up. Not all stores carry internal resistor coils if that's what you need, but most will. Alternately you can add a resistor.

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walt

07-31-2002 19:29:53
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 Re: '63 2000 ignition (?) problem in reply to Rob in TN, 07-31-2002 13:23:42  
I have a 63 2000 4cy also. If you want to fabricate a dipstick, reply. I can measure mine for you, markings, length, etc..



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Jerry D in NC

07-31-2002 13:37:36
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 Re: '63 2000 ignition (?) problem in reply to Rob in TN, 07-31-2002 13:23:42  
Rob,
Sure does sound like a coil

Do you have an external resistor?

If so then you need a 12V coil with external resistor. If you don't have an external resistor then you will need the 12V coil without external resistor. It really is that simple. Look around and see if you can find a resistor or you might still be able to read the markings on the side of the current coil if you remove it. A resistor is about 3 inches long and should be hooked to the + side of the coil between the switch and coil.

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TimK

07-31-2002 14:24:51
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 Re: Re: '63 2000 ignition (?) problem in reply to Jerry D in NC, 07-31-2002 13:37:36  
Next time that happens,jumper around the ignition switch to eliminate that possibility. Switches are also can be a time related break down once they heat up. My $.02



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