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'53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead

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Steve

12-10-1999 14:04:06
208.163.85.44



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Burrhead,
First of all, thanks for the reply! We're on the same page now and I agree with your idea of a shutoff valve. As for your comment about my "all caps", I apologize. No anger or yellin' on this end; it's just havin' to use that darned shift key so often. The wife complains about it too, so, I guess I need to slow down... Again, thanks for the feedback / advice, etc. MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY MILLENIUM!!

Steve a.k.a. Strait Shooter

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Burrhead

12-12-1999 16:58:50
12.74.17.230



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 Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Steve, 12-10-1999 14:04:06  
Steve go to the "Vintage Ford Resource" the address is--- http;//hometown.aol.com/naa60512 -- they have pictures of the Jubilee hydraulics and all the other info a man could want. Just look on the hydraulic pages.
Hope this helps and holler if I can be any help.-Burrhead



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Bern

12-10-1999 20:46:32
209.191.182.70



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 Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Steve, 12-10-1999 14:04:06  
To Steve and Burrhead, I read with interest your posts on the NAA hydraulics. I have a couple of comments you might find interesting.

First to Steve: If you wish to run a log splitter off of the tractor hydraulics, you will be very disappointed with the operating speed. Figure 4 GPM max from this pump. You're not going to get much wood split in a day with this much volume.

Second, I'm not sure exactly which port you are referring to on the tractor here. I was never aware of a pressure port on this tractor in the location you describe. Even if it was as you describe, it wouldn't work anyway. You cannot plumb two open center circuits in parallel. Attempting to use the log splitter in this case would only cause the oil to rather go to the open center 3 point circuit, rendering log splitter useless.

Best thing to do here would be to get a PTO pump.

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Burrhead

12-12-1999 11:32:09
12.74.59.79



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 Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Bern, 12-10-1999 20:46:32  
Yeah, some of these boys are touchy about the all cap letter deal. But no apologies are due, and watch out, there are backseat drivers here too.
You possibly could have a different set up than I have. The best way to check would be to install a pressure gauge in this plug hole. It should have constant pressure with the engine running and the clutch pedal in the home position.
If we're talking of the same plug, this plug was originally there so you could check the pump for serviceablity.
On mine I have installed dual remotes to open and close NH round balers while I service them.
I have only used it for 4 years, so if it does'nt work please tell me before I come to depend on it.

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Bern

12-12-1999 19:45:20
209.191.182.114



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 Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Burrhead, 12-12-1999 11:32:09  
Hey Burrhead, I do believe I've figured it out. You must have an 8N. My tip was when you said to check the pressure with the clutch pedal in the home position.

There is a world of difference between NAA and 8N hydraulics. There is no such plug as you mention on an NAA, and even if there was, it flat would not work as you describe. Also, NAA hydraulics are not dependent on the position of the clutch pedal.

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Burrhead

12-13-1999 06:20:03
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Bern, 12-12-1999 19:45:20  
I don't know really, I got it for a NAA. It looks like a Jubilee, but I do know they took 2-3 tractors to build 1 good 1. It did'nt have any outlets for hyd so I gauged the plug and plumbed in dual remotes fron that hole.
I had tried to use the later model top plate so it would have outlets. but it would'nt fit my housing.



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Steve

12-13-1999 12:47:44
208.163.85.68



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Burrhead, 12-13-1999 06:20:03  
Burrhead & Bern,
I kinda' feel like I've opened up a can of worms on this issue. Everyone's feedback is most valuable. I did find on another site with some more interesting stuff about '53 jubilee hydraulics. The site is www.atis.net. Through this site via their archives (ford ferguson & keyword jubilee)I discovered a message to / from someone about how to modify the coverplate (under the seat) and incorporate a remote valve. It's rather intailed but makes good sense. Some machining is required (no problem here) and it manages to access hyd. pressure from the 1/2"npt port under the footrest that comes out the right side of the centerhousing. Yeah, the current pump only puts out 2 to 2 1/2 gals/min. but I'm in no big hurry to split a whole bunch of wood. I'm 1ST giong to try a direct hookup to this port and go directly to my remote valve and see what happens (might need to chain down the 3 point lift arms). The key to the remote is it must have an open center circut. If ya'll get a chance, check out that web address.

Thanks again for all the input & I'll let you know the outcome.
Steve

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Bern

12-13-1999 16:58:45
209.191.182.120



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Steve, 12-13-1999 12:47:44  
Steve, where is this port exactly on your tractor? In otherwords, how far up from the bottom of the rear axle housing? This has me very curious.



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Steve to Bern

12-14-1999 06:51:20
208.163.85.35



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Bern, 12-13-1999 16:58:45  
Hi Bern,
The location of this port (and according to the IT Shop Service manual calling it "pressure passage port") is approx. 14" ahead of the right axle housing and is in the center housing. It's just above the outside bottom corner of the housing and inline with the pressure tube manifold mounting that's on the bottom of the center housing. It's also right under the inside edge of the footrest and just ahead of the footrest rear mounting bracket. The plug appears to have a female hex or square wrench socket.

Steve

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Burrhead

12-13-1999 13:31:46
12.74.16.219



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Steve, 12-13-1999 12:47:44  
Naw ever things cool. Bern an me both know what we're looking at. His won't work and mine does.
Mine may have already been modified and his not or something as simple as that.
We're still pool shootin buddies.



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Bern

12-13-1999 16:54:02
209.191.182.120



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Burrhead, 12-13-1999 13:31:46  
Yes, everything is cool on this end too there Burrhead :-)

I still think you have an 8N if you have to make sure the clutch is up to run the hydraulics! Or did I misunderstand one of your prior posts?

BTW, I don't own any tractors, just work on 'em.



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Burrhead

12-15-1999 06:30:56
12.74.16.85



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Bern, 12-13-1999 16:54:02  
Its definetely not an 8N. Its supposed to be a Jubilee.
All these old Fords here, the neighbors 8N, my Dexta and this one have to have the clutch released to operate the hydraulics. I don't know if all old Fords are the same? evidently not.
I went and looked at the other 2 and they have the same plug opening. I did not check the others to see if this is a pressure port on them also.
My curiousity is up tho, and when it dries up and warms up a little I am going to check them out too.
The plug on these is directly under your right foot when you're in the driving position. I gauged this one and it's about 1500 when warmed up with no other hydraulics in use. When you apply the 3 pt it drops this plugs pressure to about 550-600psi

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Bern

12-15-1999 17:48:14
209.102.74.46



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Burrhead, 12-15-1999 06:30:56  
Well sir, I hate to say this, but if you have to have the clutch released to make the hydraulics work, then it's definitely not an NAA/Jubilee either, as ALL these tractors had live hydraulics. The hydraulic pump was on the back RH side of the engine, driven by a gear on the back of the camshaft. Therefor, the hydraulic action was independent of the clutch pedal position. If you're sure it's not an 8N, then I would say it's a 2N or 9N. These are even older yet! What kind of engine does it have? Valve in block (8N) or overhead valve (NAA)? This would be one of the easiest ways to tell. Also, the location of this plug to which you refer sounds suspiciously 8Nish.

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Burrhead

12-15-1999 18:55:18
12.74.16.100



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Bern, 12-15-1999 17:48:14  
I'll check it out asap. It does have an ohv engine its not a flat head. I'll get over to it in a day or 2. I did have the serial# here at the house. I'm curious now, I would like to know myself.



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Burrhead w/PS

12-15-1999 18:59:27
12.74.16.100



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Burrhead, 12-15-1999 18:55:18  
Please don't let it be a 2N or 8N modified. These dern yuppies around here, I'll have to move.



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Bern

12-15-1999 21:38:15
209.102.74.110



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Burrhead w/PS, 12-15-1999 18:59:27  
Burrhead, I'm just as curious as you are now. When you find out, post back on page one with a new post. This thread is getting a little long. Or else e-mail me if you wish. Suggested title: "Homemade Jubilee".

P.S. If you don't know what it is, you might have to go on the N board to find out! Sounds like whatever you have, it has an "N" rear end in it!



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Jim(UT)

12-11-1999 20:33:22
205.188.193.26



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 Re: Re: '53 Jubilee Hydraulics / Burrhead in reply to Bern, 12-10-1999 20:46:32  
Someone posted something on the N-board a couple of days ago about using a log splitter powered by a pto pump as Bern suggests with very good results.



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