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Backhoe Swing Chains

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Ecnerwal

08-18-2001 17:34:25




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It never rains but that it pours, at least when it comes to mechanical problems while work needs to be done. Fixed my 753 hoe's bucket cylinder, now have snapped a pin in the swing chain (where the link to the hyd cylinder is). Same system is also on 750 and 755 hoes.

I can replace the pin just fine and will do so given the price of new chains - the problem is that my service manual is still in the mail (assuming it actually adresses this question), and I can't figure how to get enough slack to reassemble the darn thing. The swing cylinders are single acting. The power direction is pulling on the chain, so when the chain snapped the cylinder pulled in. The other side will pull the hoe over to that side, and can be pulled back by hand with the power on (if the control is moved that way, which sucks the cylinder on the broken side in) but won't move with the power off, which doesn't seem to make sense for a single acting cylinder. I've been able to pull the side that broke out with the hoe cranked over to the other side, but I'm still about 1/2 inch short of being able to reconnect.

Related question - several reports note that these are a weak link on this series of hoes (and I know that there were UK ones with a hydraulic swing motor instead) - has anyone retrofitted something better on this series?

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Ecnerwal

08-21-2001 17:30:50




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 Re: Backhoe Swing Chains in reply to Ecnerwal, 08-18-2001 17:34:25  
I solved it, since I had to get work done.

I put a chain around a tree for a fixed anchor (with some wood blocks to protect the bark). I hooked a comealong between the chain and the cylinder end. I set the bucket down on the ground so it couldn't move, a bit to the side away from the one I was pulling.

With the engine running, (because the "combination valve" controls the cylinders, and it is activated hydraulically by the control lever) creep the bucket to the opposite side - it should be not moving, since the bucket is grounded. When we tried this with my wife operating the tractor and me on the comealong, it was not working well, but I figured out when I set it up so that I had the comealong and the contol lever in either hand that the cylinder will backpressure when the swing is fully bound up, but it will slack off when the lever is barely crept. Doing that, I was able to gradually pull the cylinder out until I had a good deal of slack. To suck the slack up when I was done, I made use of the backpressure effect, but that may not be needed.

Opening the hose connections and letting some fluid bleed out while hauling on with a comealong would work, but on my hoe it did not seem like a good idea due to the filth in that area, and difficultly of cleaning. I was happy to get away without doing that.

If one had to replace these chains, similar chain from an industrial supply house is much cheaper than factory parts, though you would have to be comfortable with fabricating the right ends to connect it, or reattaching the ends from the old chain if they were OK. I just replaced the broken pin on this one, which took an hour or so with a ball-peen hammer, an anvil, and a cut-off grade 8 bolt for a replacement pin.

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Ecnerwal

09-04-2001 06:28:03




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 Re: Re: Backhoe Swing Chains in reply to Ecnerwal, 08-21-2001 17:30:50  
The service manual provides _no_ useful information on this subject, by the way. Just blithely "disconnect" and "connect", no practial hints for making that happen.



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Ecnerwal

08-18-2001 18:59:28




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 Re: Backhoe Swing Chains in reply to Ecnerwal, 08-18-2001 17:34:25  
I figured out the "won't move with power off" part from my parts list - the control valve hydraulically actuates a "combination valve" that actuates the swing cylinders, so no power means no ability to open the valve on the swing cylinders themselves, unlike the other cylinders which are directly controlled, and can be relieved of pressure while the power is off.

So much for that method of getting slack.

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Erron OH

08-20-2001 10:00:32




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 Re: Re: Backhoe Swing Chains in reply to Ecnerwal, 08-18-2001 18:59:28  
Just a thought here but try you might try this. Center the hoe. Loosen the line at the cylinder (just enough to let fluid folw) and pull the ram out by hand. Re tighten the connection. You shouldn't get air in the line, since the ram is "in" only and you are pulling out. You'll loose a little fluid, but you will end up with it out where you need it. Good Luck - Errin



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