Problem with PTO

I have a TO 35 Ferguson with the hi-lo and live PTO, two stage clutch , yesterday I was Rototilling for the first time and looked down and the tiller was not turning(digging) but the pto was engaged and the shaft was turning , I immediately shut of the PTO . I lifted the tiller and tried running it that way, no problem the PTO engaged. I don't understand what could have stopped the PTO , I seems to turn ok now, One thing when I connected the PTO shaft it was was way long , being it would not collapse enough to connect the quick coupler. you had to pull the tiller back to get enough room to connect the PTO shaft. Could that be my problem? The QDC was right up against the PTO shaft housing. I also notice the tiller pulls to one side, it will not line up to center of tractor. Would appreciate some help.

steve

I borrow a tiller once for my TO-35.

It was new and the pto shaft was too long for my tractor, the pto shaft was also too long for the owner of the tiller tractor.

So we shorten the tiller pto shaft about 3"

It worked much better. But I never had problems with the tractor pto not turning.
it would make a noise in the belly of tractor when the tiller was raised as pressure was placed on the pto shaft due to the long pto tiller shaft.

After cutting off the tiller pto shaft the tiller worked well with the TO-35.

A tractor tiller is a nice toy to have.

Is there a sheer pin on the tiller sitde of the shaft?

I think I need some more clairification. I counld not totally follow your problem. Let me state what I understand and please correct if I got it wrong.

The PTO from the tractor is operating correctly... it is turning weather the tiller is in the ground or not.

The tiller does not operate if the tines are engaged in the ground. It does turn if lifted off the ground.

The PTO Connector Shaft (Shaft between the Tractor and the Tiller) Does it turn/not turn with the tractor PTO or does it follow the tiller?

Is there anything on the tractor PTO... Over riding clutch or other adaptor. What is a QDC?

My initial assesment is the issue is external of the tractor and is a loose/missing shear pin or external clutch/drive on the tiller.

As for the PTO conector shaft being too long. Pull the shaft apart and with a hack-saw cut 2" to 3" off both halfs. This will give you the extra adjustment you need to connect the implement up to the tractor. I had to do that for my mower.

When you say the shaft was turning, do you mean the PTO shaft up to the Tiller was turning but it wasn't driving the tiller? If that is the case then it will be the safety clutch on the Tiller that is slipping. If you look on the drive side of the tiller there will be a chain under a cover, in this cover there will be a clutch with a number of springs that can be tightened to make it drive. It is possible that if it has been slipping for some time the friction material may have worn away and will need to be replaced. You say that the PTO will not fit onto the tractor easily, from how you describe it it will be due to the PTO shaft on the Tiller being damaged and is no longer able to "telescope" fully due to the damage. If you look at it you will find that the shaft is damaged through catching on the Tiller and this is because it is being lifted too high. There is no need to lift any higher than it needs to clear the ground safely, if you do lift too high the Universal joints in the PTO will rattle and eventually they will break and at the same time the PTO will often catch the front of the Tiller and this is what will damage the PTO shaft. If it is different to this, email me and tell me in more detail and I will tell you what is happening and how to overcome [email protected]

I forgot to say that the reason the Tiller is not running in-line with the tractor is the PTO is not closing up enough "telescoping" due to the damage I mentioned where it has probably hit the front of the Tiller. Because it is damaged the only way it will fit is if it runs to one side slightly, the problem with doing this is that it is pushing at the tractor PTO shaft and it will cause some damage to the Bearings on that if you carry on using it...John

First of all , I want to apologize for the confusion, I never was good at writing. I think I solved my problem with you guy's help. Jeff , what I was saying is, the PTO shaft was turning from the PTO on the tractor and the tiller was on the ground I was in first- low range at 540 pto speed I looked down at the tiller and the tines were not turning so It was not tilling, and John I think you were dead on . It is the tiller safety clutch. I stopped the PTO and lifted the Tiller (a little bit ) off the ground, Then I engaged the PTO and it run fine. The shaft is about 4 inches too long and it had no room to collapse . the quick coupler was running hard up against the PTO seal . I should have never forced the shaft on the PTO. That is the cause of my tilling problem. Thanks you guys for all your help. This is a great forum

steve

I'm glad you sorted that out so soon and with no added expense. And I am very happy that you are using an implement designed to operate with a tractor designed to power it, there won't be any hard feelings on the threads-if- you have any further problems, if you do, feel free to explain it the best you can, but pics help, and they aren't that hard to upload. We will help with that too! Good luck with the tractor and tiller!