TEA20 Carburetter

A friend in Australia says his Ferguson TEA20 has a Schebler "Marvel" carburetter. I don't doubt him - we both think it is "an after market back yard conversion".

According to my Fergy records, the Schebler carby was only installed on Continental engine TE20 tractors and to my knowledge, no Continental engine TE20 tractors were ever exported to Australia.

The Standard TEA20 has a Zenith 24T2 carby but I believe some late models were fitted with a Holly 859-A carby.

Can anyone - perhaps John (UK) - confirm the Schebler carby was [u:a81965bb36]not[/u:a81965bb36] fitted to any Standard engine TEA20 tractors at manufacture?

Thanks

Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20

Right, The early TEA-20 had the Zenith 24T2 carburetor.
Marvels were used on the TO-20 and TO-30.

Schebler Carbs were not fitted to the TEA, they were only fitted to Continental Engines TE20/TO20/TO30. Holley Carbs were used very early on when the Standard engine was introduced in 1948 but they were crap and had to be changed.
No Continental TE20's were exported to Australia, the first Fergies went to Oz just as the TEA was introduced..BUT...there are some Continentals out there because I have had people come on to me about repairing them, but very few.Possibly the most reasonable explanation is that the original Zenith needed replacing and for a long time no Zeniths were available, so they possibly ordered a Schebler from the US and fitted that. I have heard of it before but I have not seen one or tried one...John

Thanks John. Your suggestion is the most probable explanation.

I too have heard of a few TE20s in Australia but never seen one. I suspect they may have been a private shipment immediately post WWII, prior to the establishment of Harry Ferguson Australia Limited (company de-registered 20 May 1960), when Australian Government policy was to "buy British" to balance trade between Australia and "the Mother Country".

There are also a few Ford side valve Fergys here. No idea how they got here.

Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20

I made a little adapter and put a MS from a TO20 on a TEA. Looked kinda strange, but it ran like a top.

Here is the carby on a TEA20 referred to in my first post above:









There is no identifying marks on the carby - no brand or number. The tractor owner found a diagram of a Schebler "Marvel" carburetter on the Internet and feels that is what this carby may be.

Anyone recognise the carby? Similar to a TE20/TO20 carby?

Thanks

Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20

I would bet that Carb came from BareCo, I have seen them advertised with that adaptor on their site. It is similar in appearance to the TE20 and TO20/30 carb....John

Ford 9N's were spread far and wide as you can imagine. HF was in charge of sales of that tractor too, so he must have sent them. If you can get serial number of one of those TE20's we should be able to find out how they went..or have a good guess at it. Not sure if they did go out there new though.....John

The early TEA's had a Holley Carburetor I distinctly remember that because we had to change most of them because they would not run properly on TVO. Then they fitted the Zenith 24T-2 and then from about mid 1955 they fitted the Zenith 28G Engine number SC93795E on. I just checked in the Service manual for a serial number for the Holley and it says they were fitted to some later TEA Tractors I think that is a misprint, because all the ones we changed were on tractors that had been at work for at least 3 years and as I said the only change was to fit the 28G just before they introduced the UK MF35.....John
PS I just thought I would check the parts list as well, they fitted the Holley to the 80mm engine and some 85mm, so that would be from about 1948 until 1949/50 they were never fitted after the early TEA's according to the parts list.

John

I would bet that Carb came from BareCo, I have seen them advertised with that adaptor on their site.

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I'll bet you are right! I remember now when BareCo were selling those carbies a couple of years ago before the "new" Zenith became available.

My Gregorys/Haynes Service Manual states:

"The Schebler "Marvel" carburetter. Fitted only to tractors type TE-20 only"

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"Holley Carburetter 859-A. Fitted to later tractors type TEA-20"

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I haven't checked my original Ferguson Service Manual.

Thanks John

Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20

My TEA 20 has a holly carby,supposed to be orig.Was VERY Worn.Now like new.Serial No TEA 118065.About 1950 i think. Brian.

G'Day Brian

Your Fergy is early in 1950. That is interesting because I've seen Zenith carbys on earlier and later tractors. The manual suggests Holley carbies were fitted to later tractors (I guess post 1954?) but John is sure that should read "earlier tractors" - and John is seldom wrong!

Out of idle interest, if your Fergy has original paint, does it have a blue stripe around the bonnet and two printed aluminum printed "Ferguson" tags on each side of the bonnet?

I'm north of you, at Roma in the Sunshine State.

Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20

Bob,
You may be just the person to give me some information. I'm looking for any information on the content of a Ferguson Advertisement from June 1955 in Power Farming in Australia and New Zealand. There was a British Tractor and Implement company from Queensland listed in the ad.
I'm trying to find information about the Ferguson tractor that was evidently taken to Mawson, McRobertson Land in Feb. 1954. Please let me know if you can find anything.
thank you,
Justjudy

My 1951 TED20 has a Zenith.

- TS

JustJudy

Not sure I understand what you are looking for?

The Fergies that Sir Edmund nnalert, Derek Wright and Murray Ellis took to the South Pole arriving on 20 January 1958:



There is a "[i:ace6492b4f]Power Farming in Australia and New Zealand[/i:ace6492b4f]" technical annual for 1952 (or 1957?) listed in the Australian National Archives.

I am in Roma, Quensland (300 miles west of Brisbane.) Regarding "British Tractor and Implement Company", Google comes up with:

[i:ace6492b4f]"They renamed it Farsley, after Samuel Marsden's birthplace in Yorkshire. Tooth formed several other companies—Stradbroke Motors Pty Ltd (1928), [b:ace6492b4f]British Tractor & Implements Pty Ltd (1948)[/b:ace6492b4f] and Farsley Motors Pty Ltd (1952). Business boomed after World War II and he opened new showrooms in the suburbs. In 1956 Austral Motors was converted into a public company, with Tooth its chairman."[/i:ace6492b4f]

Oddly enough, British Tractor & Implements Pty Ltd does not come up in ASIC as a registered or deregistered Company. I can't trace Stradbroke Motors Pty Ltd but Farsley Motors (Qld) Pty Ltd was registered 13 June 1952 and deregistered 25 September 1985.

However, the parent company, Austral Motors still exists and is a Brisbane agents for Jaguar, Land Rover, Volvo, Volkswagen and Honda.

Did that information help? If not give me more specific information and I'll see what I can find.

Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20

Found another article on Hilary's trip to the Pole by Fergy tractor, interestingly this time on the [b:b3fa5dd773]AGCO web site[/b:b3fa5dd773]:



Sorry about the excessive size of the photo!

I often wonder at the number of Ferguson tractors that must have come to Australia? I met an old guy that worked for the then Ferguson agent here in Roma during the post war farming boom of cattle, sheep and grain. He tells me it was a bad Saturday morning when they didn't sell at least one Ferguson tractor!

(quoted from post at 04:42:43 08/25/10) Here is the carby on a TEA20 referred to in my first post above:

There is no identifying marks on the carby - no brand or number. The tractor owner found a diagram of a Schebler "Marvel" carburetter on the Internet and feels that is what this carby may be.

Anyone recognise the carby? Similar to a TE20/TO20 carby?

Thanks

Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20

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I have a 1954 Tea 20 that does not have the original Zenith carburettor but is fitted with a Marvel Schebler copy and it runs very well.
I expect the original carburettor must have been problematic and the new Zenith of today was not available.
As a mater of interest I intend to buy the original Zenith type and see if there is any difference in performance between the two.
Does any one know if the would be a difference in fuel consumption between the Zenith and Schebler?