Dating TED-20

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Hello,

I have a TED-20 that does not have the serial plate.
I want to date it so I looked at the casting dates of the engine and the transfer case.
The pictures are in annex
I believe the engine is 4/1/1954 and the transfer case is 12/3/1952 or is is 1954 which would make more sense. The 2 on the engine is a strange 2. The 4 which is underneath the 3 has the normal character font?

Sorry if this goes wrong. This is my first post so ???

Greetings
Hans
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(quoted from post at 14:14:34 01/24/18) Hello,

I have a TED-20 that does not have the serial plate.
I want to date it so I looked at the casting dates of the engine and the transfer case.
The pictures are in annex
I believe the engine is 4/1/1954 and the transfer case is 12/3/1952 or is is 1954 which would make more sense. The 2 on the engine is a strange 2. The 4 which is underneath the 3 has the normal character font?

Sorry if this goes wrong. This is my first post so ???

Greetings Hans

The transfer case is Mar. 12, 1952. The "4" represents the casting station used.
The engine numbers 4 1 2, would be Jan. 4, 1952.
If it is 4 1 4, then it would be 1954, but then it is likely that the engine was replaced with a newer version.
 
(reply to post at 14:44:07 01/24/18)
Thank you Ron

Engine is 1954, so probably a replacement. Strange ... but hey, this is more than 60 years ago.

Now I have to try to make it work. This was a barnfind. 5 years ago it was driven into a barn and never used after that. I should be able to make it work.
Any ideas on how to do this?
OK to put in a new 12V battery but what else?
How would one do this?

Thanks
Hans
 
I know of TEO-20 butnever heard of a TED-20. Is that a model only sold in Europ? And not sold in the USA?
 
Sitting for 5 years is not really a long time.

Start with some fresh gas, pull the drain plug on the bottom of the carb, make sure you get a good flow, let it flush a little, replace the plug, be sure the carb doesn't flood. If it floods, you may need to ease the bowl off, clean up the float, needle/seat, flush out the passages with carb cleaner and compressed air.

Crack open all the transmission drain plugs and the engine drain plug, check for water. If water in them, let it drain until you get oil, but don't drain them yet. No use wasting new oil if there are other problems. Top up any levels that are excessively low.

Check the coolant, top it with 50/50 antifreeze if it looks like it will hold.

Pull the plugs, give each cylinder an oz or 2 of oil, let it sit a while, see if the engine will turn through by hand. If yes, very good sign! Let it sit a while longer with the oil in the cylinders.

As for the electrical, that was originally 6 volt positive ground. If it still has the generator, it may still be 6 volt. Look for evidence, like the voltage on the tag on the gen and regulator, lights, any accessories. Even if it is 6 volt, you can use a 12 v battery just to try it out. But be careful not to crank too long, it will overheat the starter.

If the generator has been changed to an alternator, it has been converted to 12v negative ground. Very important, must be neg ground if it has an alternator!

When you are ready to give it a crank, spin it through with the plugs out to blow out the excess oil. Check for spark. If none, clean the points. Put the plugs in, give it a try. Watch that it gets oil pressure.

If no start, run a compression test. It may have stuck valves. They can usually be broke loose with penetrating oil and working them with a small hammer and prying the spring to close.

If it will run, even if not running well, put it through it's paces, note any problems. That way you can make a decision as to how far to go, if it is practical to proceed, and if you do go into it, correct everything at once so it doesn't have to come apart again.

Let us know what you find!
 
My serial # book only has at the beginning the TED-20 was popular among British farmer from 1946--1956. And it had a Standard Motor Company Model VO. No serial number's at all. Book has all the TE-20-30-20-85 number's.
 
My alphabet lists 17 models of Ferguson TE series of tractors but there is not a TEO 20. Here it is, since I do not have much else to do. (LOL) TE, TEA, TEB, TEC, TED, TEE, TEF, TEH, TEJ, TEK, TEL, TEM, TEP, TER, TES, TET, TEY. Yes all of these should be followed with 20. I am sure you get the idea. (TE20, TEA20, ETC. ETC.)
 
(quoted from post at 16:38:12 01/24/18) I know of TEO-20 butnever heard of a TED-20. Is that a model only sold in Europ? And not sold in the USA?

Hello Leroy,
The tractors with names with "O" in them were made in the US for the US market.
The ones with "E" and no "O" were made in England for the European and probably other markets.

The "D" in the name indicates that the tractor in normal width and works also on Vaporizing Oil as one can see from the cover of the Instruction Book.

Greetings
Hans
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Hello Steve

Thank you for the detailed guidelines.
Exactly what I was looking for.

Top!

I will try to find some time this weekend and I will report on it.

Thanks again.

Hans
 

Hello Miner09,

Thank you for the reaction. When I mention serial number, I just wanted to say that I do not have the plate on the dashboard with the serial number.

There is a serial number on the engine (as one can see in one of the pictures).
Can you trace back a date based on that?

Greetings
Hans
 
(quoted from post at 18:24:41 01/24/18) My alphabet lists 17 models of Ferguson TE series of tractors but there is not a TEO 20. Here it is, since I do not have much else to do. (LOL) TE, TEA, TEB, TEC, TED, TEE, TEF, TEH, TEJ, TEK, TEL, TEM, TEP, TER, TES, TET, TEY. Yes all of these should be followed with 20. I am sure you get the idea. (TE20, TEA20, ETC. ETC.)

Hello Richard,

The model numbers you mention are for tractors made in the UK.
The ones made in the US do have an "O" in the model name.

I am not sure if they made tractors using Vaporizing Oil in the US.

I am not even very sure if I know what this vaporizing Oil is :)
I will use petrol (with a tank of one gallon) to start the tractor.

If they did make VO tractors in the US then the name would probably have been TOD-20 :).

Greetings
Hans
 
By 1952, all TEA'a and TED's were 12 volt +ve ground, from the factory.
TVO or tractor vaporizing oil is essentially a mix of kerosene (diesel fuel or heating fuel) and gasoline. It was a lot cheaper in England than petrol. TVO was not used in the US or Canada.
One suggestion, rather than oil in the spark plugs, I would use something lighter like diesel fuel. It can help free up a sticky ring.
The first TED's were produced in 1949, with the 85 mm piston. Before that, all the engines used 80 mm pistons.
 
(quoted from post at 16:45:52 01/24/18)

As for the electrical, that was originally 6 volt positive ground. If it still has the generator, it may still be 6 volt. Look for evidence, like the voltage on the tag on the gen and regulator, lights, any accessories. Even if it is 6 volt, you can use a 12 v battery just to try it out. But be careful not to crank too long, it will overheat the starter.

If the generator has been changed to an alternator, it has been converted to 12v negative ground. Very important, must be neg ground if it has an alternator!

Hello,

I believe I have a 12V system.
It saus 12V on what I believe to be a generator.
Included some pictures.

What do you think?

Greetings
Hans
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(quoted from post at 15:18:27 01/25/18)
(quoted from post at 16:45:52 01/24/18)

As for the electrical, that was originally 6 volt positive ground. If it still has the generator, it may still be 6 volt. Look for evidence, like the voltage on the tag on the gen and regulator, lights, any accessories. Even if it is 6 volt, you can use a 12 v battery just to try it out. But be careful not to crank too long, it will overheat the starter.

If the generator has been changed to an alternator, it has been converted to 12v negative ground. Very important, must be neg ground if it has an alternator!

Hello,

I believe I have a 12V system.
It saus 12V on what I believe to be a generator.
Included some pictures.

What do you think?

Greetings
Hans
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Yes it is a 12 volt generator, +ve ground.
 

If you wish to run the tractor on petrol only then it would be advisable to remove the heat shield that is over the manifold . With this still in place and running on petrol the engine will get very hot .
The manifold on a TED is different to others , it has a large solid boss at the base where the carburettor bolt on , in TEA tractors this area is lighter and vented . The purpose of this is to concentrate and collect heat so that the lower octane fuel mixture can ignite more easily .
 
(quoted from post at 00:11:54 01/27/18)
If you wish to run the tractor on petrol only then it would be advisable to remove the heat shield that is over the manifold .

That is a very good tip. I would probably not have thought about that and only figured out after getting into heat problems :oops:

Thanks!

Greetings
Hans
 

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