Ferguson TO-20 oil filter

My oil filter access cover was welded onto the oil pan. Removed oil pan and there is no filter, screen or screen cover. Looking at a parts diagram, there seems to be a Spring (20) and two washer like items (21&31). Yesterdays tractor doesn't show any of these items but found the Screen and Cover at Vermont Tractor but not the spring and washers. Can anyone give me more info on the spring and washers? Sizes etc and are there other items I need?
I ordered the replacement oil pan and cover from YT.
Thanks,
Kermit
 
Did you have the engine running?

Interested in Engine Oil pressure?

Bearing clearances ? Journal condition? etc, etc,

No oil filter........?

Bob....
 
(quoted from post at 10:22:23 02/26/17) My oil filter access cover was welded onto the oil pan. Removed oil pan and there is no filter, screen or screen cover. Looking at a parts diagram, there seems to be a Spring (20) and two washer like items (21&31). Yesterdays tractor doesn't show any of these items but found the Screen and Cover at Vermont Tractor but not the spring and washers. Can anyone give me more info on the spring and washers? Sizes etc and are there other items I need?
I ordered the replacement oil pan and cover from YT.
Thanks,
Kermit
The part number for the spring is 1750057M1. I got mine from Jack's Small Engines, an online AGCO parts dealer, for about 8 bucks. Sorry, the Parts Book doesn't have any dimensions for the spring, and I'm not going to take mine out to measure it! :wink:
The two felt washers are part numbers 1750057M1 and 1750361M1, with dimensions of 19/32x1 1/2x 3/32 and 17/32x 1 1/4x 3/32. I didn't have any luck finding them, so I made some out of neoprene washers - probably not to exact specifications, though.
It's always interesting to hear what people find in TO-20 oil pans: my screen and cover were upside down, the spring was missing. and the filter wasn't even close to the correct size.
 
(quoted from post at 07:49:19 02/26/17) Did you have the engine running?

Interested in Engine Oil pressure?

Bearing clearances ? Journal condition? etc, etc,

No oil filter........?

Bob....
The engine ran when I got it, Didn't have any oil pressure, guy said gauge didn't work. I hope the journals are okay. I did find two pieces of metal in the oil pan but can't figure out where they came from. Look like two pieces of the oil ring scraper.
 
Tom you said the felt washers were P/N 360 and 361.
are they preceded by 1750? like 1750036M1 or 1750360M1 and 1750361M1 or 17500360M1 and 17500361M1?
 
The spring # 1750057M1 comes back as the rockerarm assy. I found the springs on the rockerarm shaft P/n 1750067M91.
Jacks small engine says its replaced with 1750067V91 but are no longer available.
 
I'll check the Parts Book again this evening - I must have written something down wrong.

The oil filter canister spring is about 3/4" X 2", and isn't very "springy". I don't think it's the same as the springs on the rocker arm shaft.
 
I'll check the Parts Book again this evening - I must have written something down wrong.

The oil filter canister spring is about 3/4" X 2", and isn't very "springy". I don't think it's the same as the springs on the rocker arm shaft.
 
(quoted from post at 06:16:00 02/27/17) I'll check the Parts Book again this evening - I must have written something down wrong.

The oil filter canister spring is about 3/4" X 2", and isn't very "springy". I don't think it's the same as the springs on the rocker arm shaft.
I think the tube that the spring fits on above the filter seems to be about 5/8" because the filter hole is like .53 or .55". I guess it needs to be springy enough to hold the filter canister down onto the bottom plate.
 
OK, I checked the Parts Book again: 1 750 057 M1 is the oil filter spring.

That number comes up at Jack's as available, for $3.08.

The Parts Book has a numerical cross-reference, and that same part number is the Long Spring on the Rocker Shaft Assembly. (There's also a Short Spring, with a similar part number.)

I knew this sounded familiar - in my Googling, I found a thread on this topic from 2013: http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1010941
 
(quoted from post at 17:36:26 02/27/17) OK, I checked the Parts Book again: 1 750 057 M1 is the oil filter spring.

That number comes up at Jack's as available, for $3.08.

The Parts Book has a numerical cross-reference, and that same part number is the Long Spring on the Rocker Shaft Assembly. (There's also a Short Spring, with a similar part number.)

I knew this sounded familiar - in my Googling, I found a thread on this topic from 2013: http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1010941
hanks Tom, I came up with the same thing at Jack's. I ordered it along with a couple of felt washers. may not be correct, I'll find out.
 
Quoting :
The engine ran when I got it, Didn't have any oil pressure, guy said gauge didn't work. I hope the journals are okay. I did find two pieces of metal in the oil pan but can't figure out where they came from. Look like two pieces of the oil ring scraper.

Have you given any thought to Visually checking the bearing shells and Journals..... as the oil pan is off?

Bob......
 
(quoted from post at 20:58:26 02/27/17)
(quoted from post at 17:36:26 02/27/17) OK, I checked the Parts Book again: 1 750 057 M1 is the oil filter spring.

That number comes up at Jack's as available, for $3.08.

The Parts Book has a numerical cross-reference, and that same part number is the Long Spring on the Rocker Shaft Assembly. (There's also a Short Spring, with a similar part number.)

I knew this sounded familiar - in my Googling, I found a thread on this topic from 2013: http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1010941
hanks Tom, I came up with the same thing at Jack's. I ordered it along with a couple of felt washers. may not be correct, I'll find out.
Tom, did you say your oil filter scree was installed wrong? I would think the closed end of the screen goes on the bottom below the filter. Correct?
 
I googled felt washers and one showed up on Jack's small Engine Parts for a Husqwarna . I called them to get the size but they couldn't help me. I took a gamble and ordered a couple anyway.
 
The open ends of the solid cover AND the screen both face DOWN.

The solid cover won't fit through the filter access hole, so it needs to be installed along with your new oil pan, and your new spring. (I think the screen will fit through the hole, but check to be sure - especially with the aftermarket oil pan.)

Do a search on the YT archives for "oil filter screen cover", and you should find a thread with a parts diagram that shows how everything fits together. If not, let me know, and I'll send you a copy.
 
Ferguson Parts Book:

Form N0; 693 041 M2
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Thanks, I'm glad you told me to install the canister/cover with spring and washers first. I would have installed the new pan first. My service/operator's manual says I can remove the filter and screen when changing oil and filter, to clean the screen. I don't have a parts manual, maybe I should consider ordering one.
 
(quoted from post at 07:49:19 02/26/17) Did you have the engine running?

Interested in Engine Oil pressure?

Bearing clearances ? Journal condition? etc, etc,

No oil filter........?

Bob....
he oil pick-up tube was still in tack so the pump should have picked up oil. I'm going to look at some of the rod and main journals and measure clearance.
 
(quoted from post at 10:50:50 02/28/17) Ferguson Parts Book:

Form N0; 693 041 M2
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If I discover I have standard bearings but the clearance is above limits, can I install .002 bearings on both the main and rods? or go back with standard?
 
If I discover that I have standard bearings in the motor but the clearance limit is above .0045, can I install .002 undersize bearings or should I stay with standard bearings?
 
Quoting:
If I discover that I have standard bearings in the motor but the clearance limit is above .0045, can I install .002 undersize bearings or should I stay with standard bearings?

When you check the clearance's with plastiqaue (present / used bearings on shaft),and if the clearance is above .0045 then I suggest you use a MICROMETER to measure all Journals. You should establish if the Journals are in fact ROUND and not other wise. Also you should establish the diameter of the Journals before ordering Bearing inserts.

If your present / used bearings are indeed above .0045 that is NOT and indication that the Journals are undersize. You may find the Journals are OK and indeed the bearings are worn.

The clearance of .0045 is a measurement found in the Engine Specs.?
 
regarding my TO-20 Main & Rod Bearings, I used a plasti-gage to measure clearance. The mains are .008 and the rods .004. Looking at the back side of the bearings I don't find anything like .002, .010 or anything to indicate that they are undersize. On the Rod bearings the only thing on them is Clevite CB362M, and in very small # (979).
All the journals look clean and shiny. However the bearings look gray on the front side.
I also found that the numbers stamped on the Rods, 1,2,3 & 4 are facing away from the camshaft. My shop manual says they should face the cam shaft. I'm not planning on removing the head to see which way the pistons face. Since the engine was running I plan on putting in new standard bearings and leaving it at that. What do you Think?
 
Tom, I used a plastic gauge to measure the clearances on the Main and rod Bearings. The Mains measure .008 and the Rods .004. The Journals look nice and clean. On the back side of the rod bearings there is
stamped Clevite CB 363M and a very small # (9 79) I don't find anything on the Main Bearings. The bearings on the face side are Gray in color. I'm planning on replacing all the bearings with STD. I also found
that the rods ( # 1-2-3-4) the #'s are facing away from the camshaft side of the engine. My shop manual says they are to be facing the camshaft. Since the motor was running I don't plan on tearing the motor
down to turn the rods around.
What do you Think?
 
Tom, I used a plastic gauge to measure the clearances on the Main and rod Bearings. The Mains measure .008 and the Rods .004. The Journals look nice and clean. On the back side of the rod bearings there is
stamped Clevite CB 362M and a very small # (9 79) I don't find anything on the Main Bearings. The bearings on the face side are Gray in color. I'm planning on replacing all the bearings with STD. I also found
that the rods ( # 1-2-3-4) the #'s are facing away from the camshaft side of the engine. My shop manual says they are to be facing the camshaft. Since the motor was running I don't plan on tearing the motor
down to turn the rods around.
What do you Think?
 
Are you sure all bearings (on the Crankshaft Journals are STANDARD)?

How did you verify if the Journals are Standard?

Thanks:

Bob..
 
(quoted from post at 12:41:11 03/09/17) Tom, I used a plastic gauge to measure the clearances on the Main and rod Bearings. The Mains measure .008 and the Rods .004. The Journals look nice and clean. On the back side of the rod bearings there is
stamped Clevite CB 362M and a very small # (9 79) I don't find anything on the Main Bearings. The bearings on the face side are Gray in color. I'm planning on replacing all the bearings with STD. I also found
that the rods ( # 1-2-3-4) the #'s are facing away from the camshaft side of the engine. My shop manual says they are to be facing the camshaft. Since the motor was running I don't plan on tearing the motor
down to turn the rods around.
What do you Think?
Kermit, I think you meant to direct that question to John Deere D - main and rod bearing questions are above my pay grade.
You'll get some good advice here, though.
 
(quoted from post at 09:47:30 03/09/17) Are you sure all bearings (on the Crankshaft Journals are STANDARD)?

How did you verify if the Journals are Standard?

Thanks:

Bob..
Since none of the bearings are marked as being undersized, that would lead me to believe that they are standard.
 

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