F-40 versus MH/MF 50

Hello good folks.

I got curious about something. I have always thought the Ferguson 40, and the MH / MF 50 was more or less the same tractor, a little different sheet metal, but mechanical very close.

Today I looked at TractorData, and there I see something I never thought about. I do not say the TractorData has it right, but anyway, it appears that the Ferguson 40 only came with one Continental engine, and that the Massey Harris 50 came with three engines, the same as the F-40, but also a "fume" engine, and 3 cylinder Perkins diesel engine.
So, now I got really curious. Why not the 4 cylinder, since the US made MF 35 came with the 23C engine, and later with the 3 cylinder Perkins.
Can any of you educated people enlighten me a little in this ? Can a F-40 be fitted with a diesel engine ?


Bill

The F40-MH 50 was the same except tin with same(Z134) engine. The MF 50 took the place of the two in 1958 when they became MF. It came with gas, diesel or LPG. Don't know if a diesel will fit in F40.

I suppose either diesel will fit, but I don't think the 23c came out until the 40 was already canceled. The Standard and Perkins were an 'MF50' thing not MH- right? A TVO? fume fuel? I never heard of that stuff ever sold in the states or Canada. Good tax free farm gas was cheap in those days. I guess there was a 'high altitude 134? But yeah, tin work was about it.

MH 50 never had the Perkins gas, that engine came in the late sixtys. "Fume" engine, do you mean LP gas? I'd thing a Ferguson 40 or MH 50 diesel would be a neat idea, cause I LIKE diesels. But the correct police would have a cow...

Yeah, I saw an 50 with the Perkins diesel 3, but I guess that were the last ones before 150's? or a project? Never think of LPG as 'fume'? But yes, Miner had a LPG 40 and the 65 LPG not far off from your dad's if I remember right? I saw a few LPG MF 50's down his way too. I think there was a scallop hood MH50 with a cylinder blister at an auction? That would be the same age as a 40- I will have to go thru my pictures. The word 'Fume' is what needs to be defined???
I guess the 'mindset' of the new Massey Ferguson management- that disgusted Harry out of the business, is where/when the different chassis, engine and fuel options came out- so? end of the '57 production on???

(quoted from post at 11:04:59 08/12/16) Yeah, I saw an 50 with the Perkins diesel 3, but I guess that were the last ones before 150's? or a project? Never think of LPG as 'fume'? But yes, Miner had a LPG 40 and the 65 LPG not far off from your dad's if I remember right? I saw a few LPG MF 50's down his way too. I think there was a scallop hood MH50 with a cylinder blister at an auction? That would be the same age as a 40- I will have to go thru my pictures. The word 'Fume' is what needs to be defined???
I guess the 'mindset' of the new Massey Ferguson management- that disgusted Harry out of the business, is where/when the different chassis, engine and fuel options came out- so? end of the '57 production on???

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Sorry, I did not go back to check, and did not remember it was called LPG, but that is what I meant by "fumes". I mean, I struggle with the word gas, in my first language we call gas "bensin", and propane, LPG, oxygen, nitrogen and all the others for "gass"... so gas and gas... well well, I reinvented it and called it fumes...

The transmission of the F-40 should be the same no matter what of those engines was used, but the front piece I have no idea about, front axle support maybe it is called.


Bill

OK, so it was you that came up with 'fumes'. So yeah, Z134 gasoline or LPG in F40's and MH50's- and high altitude versions in both. Then, Perkins 152 diesels in [MF]-50's, but never a 23c diesel in either-ever. My hunch is there were already doubts about the 23C even tho it was made in house, yet the Perkins was used for over 50 years??? And British Leyland kept 23C's in production for years longer???

(quoted from post at 20:54:43 08/12/16) OK, so it was you that came up with 'fumes'. So yeah, Z134 gasoline or LPG in F40's and MH50's- and high altitude versions in both. Then, Perkins 152 diesels in [MF]-50's, but never a 23c diesel in either-ever. My hunch is there were already doubts about the 23C even tho it was made in house, yet the Perkins was used for over 50 years??? And British Leyland kept 23C's in production for years longer???

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Yes, I was the one... guilty as charged.

MF did not buy Perkins until 1959, but I guess Massey Harris had been using Perkins for a long time already.
The 3 cylinder is a great little engine, lot of pulling power and extremely fuel efficient, the only minus is the shaking of the fenders on low idle. 4 cylinders are better that way.

I am not sure how long the 23C was made, but it was made at least up to the late 60ties. The Perkins 3 cylinder on the other hand was made up in the 1990ties at least.

Yes the Perkins diesel will fit the F-40...No the 23C will not as the front cradel is different....the Z134 and perkins cradle is the same...the 4 cylinder diesels will also fit especially the 4/192 or 4/203, but the hood and steering link will have to be lengthened....British 65 bonnet (hood) and steering link will fit......why even the 6/354 will fit!............Sam