a diesel free zone here?

Tony in Mass.

Well-known Member
This page is getting boring.
So here's a blast from the past.
Out of the dungeon, free to haunt the surface world... next time no global cooling device... so no more mister nice guy.....
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Ya gotta be careful letting those old Haunts out of the Dungeon,
ya might just let the Dragon loose too.

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So next time you pull the head we are expecting to see signs of a blown gasket? I've turned down many 23c's on account
of your out of cal. torque wrench. Might sue.
 
Noe that you have the head off what are your plans? I will be pulling mine apart this winter to do a rebuild.
 
Oh 2 tractors... you didn't take ANY of them home? you need atleast 3... no joke about the torque... as you can see the black marks there, 2 of the bolts- under the rocker arm of course, well, not loose, but there was no 150 pounds of force getting them up.
I know when rebuilding the Perkins 212, people said ' you need 300 foot pounds... H3!! I don't weigh half that! I know I must have torqued these to specs back then, but as diesel tech was saying, just like the ol timers did, best to let it run awhile.. then take the top end apart and RE torque the head bolts... better to waste 2 hours than 2 years...
I am going to die grind the combustion chamber holes, not just a pommie hi performance trick, but there are tiny cracks in them, got to come out, but why replace them with something that might have been a bad idea from the get go? I did everything else years ago, so this time- it will either smoke... or not smoke... I'll tell ya 2 tractors... if it still smokes, boy I got a deal fer you...
 
Have fun with it. I've been fixing that finish mower and still trying to break the CL habit but the deals keep looking
better and better. Tried one of the Boston Lager beers last night . No wonder you only drank one!
 
Those valves are setting too deep in the head to suit me. Mine are close to flush, or maybe .010 inch below. But I did cheat and modified Deutz valves to fit mine to get the compression heat as high as possible to help starting..
 
Don't even joke about my poor ol Carling Black label... and don't tell me you don't like Molson Ice... the dollar store torque wrench ain't the problem... I just got to drink enough Molsons to gain the weight to heave on the ol torque wrench... or buy beer for someone bigger than me to pull the wrench insted...
 
Don't know about the prev owner Rich, but I told the machinist that I did the valve job with a scotch brite on an angle grinder. He said I did a good job, cause they held the pressure to his specs. So if they were ground small, it weren't me dat did it... all seemed factory to me at the time...
the head gasket and return piping arrived to day... so by Sunday night... diesel history might be re-written....
oh, I did die grind the insert holes this evening... but there ain't much to talk about, by the time I ate away till the cracks were gone, it was thick, too thick to grind any further without a Bridgeport! A high performance guy opening manifold castings would think I didn't even get started. Holes the size of your pinkie fingernail are now the size of your ring fingernail. We'll see.
 
Well, the head was planed, chambers ground bigger, new gasket, torqued to 115 pounds... started on the forth try (with a shot of ether ya), not the forth week like a couple years ago... but still a big lingering cloud of smoke. Pulses like an ol fashioned idling railroad diesel this time too. And it can't be steam as a friend of mine thought, cause for the first couple minutes, I kept the water jacket empty.... so maybe it will remain an anti mosquito device for awhile more....
btw, since it had an interveinus tank and the valve cover wasn't on tight, I took off the rocker arm and re -torqued the head bolts- and some seemed to have needed it...
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Does your 23C have the combustion heaters/glow plugs? If the air has been purged from the injectors and you use the heaters something else isn't right. Injector timing? Mine will start within a few revs with 20 secs of heat. If its warm it will start without heat.
 
(quoted from post at 14:55:54 07/26/15) Well then u a lucky man....

Tony...of course it's a diesel free zone here!!! Remember Harry Ferguson hated diesels!!! Yes he gave in and allowed them to be manufactured, but I've never found anything that said he ever liked them later on... Now had he of owned a Perkins that might have changed his mind...
 
The funny thing is Jason, and you might have the reading material to know- but since Standard motors co WAS Harry F LTD, I wonder what he thought of these engines? and if he was still involved with MF long enough to start buying Perkins?? Or is that when he told the Cuban crook 'yeah just go ahead and shoot me ya bloody @#$%^&' !!!
If this tractor was up on your mountaintop farmland.... no one would even notice... it can keep the Blue Mountains blue...
 

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