Help with TEA20

25134andrew

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Hi guys, pretty new to all this. Bought my first tractor recently, however my wife is constantly on my back because I'm having trouble getting it going. Traced the problem to a burnt out starter motor. Now fixed. Starts like a beauty BUT as soon as I disengage the starter with the gear leaver, the engine stops. If I leave the gear stick in the start position the tractor will run. Obviously not good for the new starter motor. My thought is I have wired something incorrectly so would appreciate any help at all. I am mechanically challenged but doing my best. Please help prove my wife wrong (about my tractor anyway)
 
Could it be that you have the wire to the ignition
routed wrongly through the gear lever isolating
switch and actually switching the ignition off as
you disengage the gear lever??
 
Turn the key on and before you try to start, check if you have voltage at the coil. You may have hooked up the ignition power wire to the wrong terminal on the safety switch.

Dan
 
(quoted from post at 03:02:02 12/08/14) Could it be that you have the wire to the ignition
routed wrongly through the gear lever isolating
switch and actually switching the ignition off as
you disengage the gear lever??




Correct. Solution was a lot simpler than I thought. The power wire from the key was wired to the wrong post on the starter switch. All good so thanks very much to everyone who replied.
 
We need to let those women know that when we put our heads together we can do great things.
Or you can just tell her you figured it out.
 
(reply to post at 10:32:46 12/09/14)

Lucky I didn't shoot myself in the foot and spruik to her. Thought I'd wait to make sure everything kept working. Everything was going great, tractor was starting without any problems. Drove it to the garage to change an arm on the 3 point linkage and when I went to start it again - nothing. Exactly the same issue I had before with a burnt out starter. Took it back to the auto elec and yes, starter RS. Borrowed his. Guess what - hooked it up and gave it a go. It cranked for a split second then nothing. Here we go again. Same problem! After I stopped swearing I tested voltages. 12.78 at battery. About the same at the key switch. Dropped a bit at the battery side post of the starter switch something like 12.4 or so. With the gear lever in the start position voltage at the starter was about 8.9. Also smoke started coming out of the starter. Anyway, read tonight that low voltage can cause starters to burn out. How do you guard against a flat or low battery burning it out every time. Now have to work out where the voltage is being lost. It's not the ground cable. Maybe the power lead. Can't believe this can happen because of a low battery. Surely there must be more to it.
 

Lucky I didn't shoot myself in the foot and spruik to her. Thought I'd wait to make sure everything kept working. Everything was going great, tractor was starting without any problems. Drove it to the garage to change an arm on the 3 point linkage and when I went to start it again - nothing. Exactly the same issue I had before with a burnt out starter. Took it back to the auto elec and yes, starter RS. Borrowed his. Guess what - hooked it up and gave it a go. It cranked for a split second then nothing. Here we go again. Same problem! After I stopped swearing I tested voltages. 12.78 at battery. About the same at the key switch. Dropped a bit at the battery side post of the starter switch something like 12.4 or so. With the gear lever in the start position voltage at the starter was about 8.9. Also smoke started coming out of the starter. Anyway, read tonight that low voltage can cause starters to burn out. How do you guard against a flat or low battery burning it out every time. Now have to work out where the voltage is being lost. It's not the ground cable. Maybe the power lead. Can't believe this can happen because of a low battery. Surely there must be more to it.[/quote]


Well, first, what year is Your tractor, or even better, does it have a VIN number readable under and in front of the steering Wheel.

Then to your problem, I am having an attitude today, and say that you most likely have 2 worn out starters. :) That is what first pops up in my head.
Here me out on this, if a starter is engaged and sort of start smoking it is using way too much Power. And that takes Your battery Down in voltage. I am not you, and I am not going to tell you what to do, but if it was me, I would pop the end lid of the original starter, not the one you borrowed, and take it apart. From my experience With starters I would not be surprised if the bushings are so worn that the rotor is scrubbing the stator. It is nothing that draws more Power than this, and the starter gets lazy too. It's like having an awful flu or cold putting a huge back back on yourself, you can hardly get up, an when you try to walk Your tongue hangs out, you are breathing like a whale and nothing gets done. If you know how I mean.

This is what I would check first. Because, if Your battery voltage drops a lot, and it is a problem in a Connection it would smoke there, and get hot, and not in the starter.

Then, there be another problem, that the starter is not the right one for the engine and maybe has a too big bendix so it gets bent when engaging the ringgear on the flywheel.

Can you send us a Picture of the starter and little bit in on the transmission ?


Bill
 
(quoted from post at 00:27:34 12/08/14) Hi guys, pretty new to all this. Bought my first tractor recently, however my wife is constantly on my back because I'm having trouble getting it going. Traced the problem to a burnt out starter motor. Now fixed. Starts like a beauty BUT as soon as I disengage the starter with the gear leaver, the engine stops. If I leave the gear stick in the start position the tractor will run. Obviously not good for the new starter motor. My thought is I have wired something incorrectly so would appreciate any help at all. I am mechanically challenged but doing my best. Please help prove my wife wrong (about my tractor anyway)


No plate on the tractor. The best I can do is an engine number. I will forward it tomorrow together with photo's.
PS The starter was extremely hot after I tried to start it.
 
(quoted from post at 04:33:15 12/19/14)
(quoted from post at 00:27:34 12/08/14) Hi guys, pretty new to all this. Bought my first tractor recently, however my wife is constantly on my back because I'm having trouble getting it going. Traced the problem to a burnt out starter motor. Now fixed. Starts like a beauty BUT as soon as I disengage the starter with the gear leaver, the engine stops. If I leave the gear stick in the start position the tractor will run. Obviously not good for the new starter motor. My thought is I have wired something incorrectly so would appreciate any help at all. I am mechanically challenged but doing my best. Please help prove my wife wrong (about my tractor anyway)


On the right side of the centerhousing, in front of the inspection cover where the dipstick for the transmission sits there should be a number. Or some figures. If the tractor is Complete, I mean that no major part of the tractor has been replaced like transmission or engine or rear end, this is the best figure for finding the year and date of when the tractor was built. The engine number does not really tell so much about when the tractor was built because they picked engines from the Storage that was closest to the door to put it that way.

Bill


No plate on the tractor. The best I can do is an engine number. I will forward it tomorrow together with photo's.
PS The starter was extremely hot after I tried to start it.
 
(quoted from post at 09:48:17 12/19/14)
(quoted from post at 04:33:15 12/19/14)
(quoted from post at 00:27:34 12/08/14) Hi guys, pretty new to all this. Bought my first tractor recently, however my wife is constantly on my back because I'm having trouble getting it going. Traced the problem to a burnt out starter motor. Now fixed. Starts like a beauty BUT as soon as I disengage the starter with the gear leaver, the engine stops. If I leave the gear stick in the start position the tractor will run. Obviously not good for the new starter motor. My thought is I have wired something incorrectly so would appreciate any help at all. I am mechanically challenged but doing my best. Please help prove my wife wrong (about my tractor anyway)
/quote]



Engine number SC38992E
Centrehousing number 6
20 10 2

Tried starting again with fully charged battery. Again cranked for about 2 seconds then nothing. Battery 12.76 v.
Battery to key switch off 12.85v.
Battery to key switch on 12.64v
Post on starter switch key off 12.72v
Post on starter switch 12.59v
Starter motor side post of starter switch gear selector in start position 9.78v
As above but at starter motor 9.7v - getting hot and smoking.


Am away for a few days will post photo's on return

Thanks
 
(quoted from post at 15:20:05 12/20/14)
(quoted from post at 09:48:17 12/19/14)
(quoted from post at 04:33:15 12/19/14)
(quoted from post at 00:27:34 12/08/14) Hi guys, pretty new to all this. Bought my first tractor recently, however my wife is constantly on my back because I'm having trouble getting it going. Traced the problem to a burnt out starter motor. Now fixed. Starts like a beauty BUT as soon as I disengage the starter with the gear leaver, the engine stops. If I leave the gear stick in the start position the tractor will run. Obviously not good for the new starter motor. My thought is I have wired something incorrectly so would appreciate any help at all. I am mechanically challenged but doing my best. Please help prove my wife wrong (about my tractor anyway)


On the right side of the centerhousing, in front of the inspection cover where the dipstick for the transmission sits there should be a number. Or some figures. If the tractor is Complete, I mean that no major part of the tractor has been replaced like transmission or engine or rear end, this is the best figure for finding the year and date of when the tractor was built. The engine number does not really tell so much about when the tractor was built because they picked engines from the Storage that was closest to the door to put it that way.

Bill


No plate on the tractor. The best I can do is an engine number. I will forward it tomorrow together with photo's.
PS The starter was extremely hot after I tried to start it.
/quote]



Engine number SC38992E
Centrehousing number 6
20 10 2

Tried starting again with fully charged battery. Again cranked for about 2 seconds then nothing. Battery 12.76 v.
Battery to key switch off 12.85v.
Battery to key switch on 12.64v
Post on starter switch key off 12.72v
Post on starter switch 12.59v
Starter motor side post of starter switch gear selector in start position 9.78v
As above but at starter motor 9.7v - getting hot and smoking.


Am away for a few days will post photo's on return

Thanks

I still think the starter motor is the problem, unless the engine itself it extemely hard to crank for some reason ? What happens if you pullstart the tractor, does the engine run normal and fine then ?

The figure tells it is a TEA 20 from 1952, most likely assembled in the beginning of november 1952. Centerhousing cast october 20 1952.


Bill
 

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