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DrLoch

02-03-2014 09:10:35
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While certainly I agree with the intend of the post. I would like to add a personal comment. The manuals I do have lack the detail that I'm accustomed to. That is why a person ask a question or for help to begin with. Knowledge is a valuable thing to have, rely on others that have done something in the past to provide some direction. Braking stuff gets expensive in a real hurry.

For instance, (Tony from past posts , I know this subject is near and dear to your heart.) I'm currently working on my TO35 with 23C diesel. Technical explanations and Information in the manuals I have leave a lot to be desired. I love the explanation of how to install the camshaft. If not done correctly you can bend a valve very easily. I have asked, on this forum if anyone knew if there was any information available about what called the cam events. Having that information available and using a dial indicator and a degree wheel you can get the valve timing lined up and correct before you even assemble and install the rocker. I will have that information before I finish assembling the motor.

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Tony in Mass.

02-03-2014 14:44:55
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 Re: all you new guys on here in reply to DrLoch, 02-03-2014 09:10:35  
Ooooooh dr Loch.... I didn't want to be the one to tell you this.. but there are no 'details' when it comes to 23C's. SamN40, John UK and others can best describe how to deal with this engine, but the I&T manual- the one's people love to hate.. was all I had.. and by re-reading it, and later watching a CD kindly sent to me by Bill Brox, I 'think' I got it aligned as close as it will get...
Yeah it seems that you need navigation intruments from the sound of it... 90 degrees a starboard, 3 o'clock level.. belay all valves on #4... steady as she goes... oh man... but the teeth are big enough where you will know if it is right/close with the naked eye... I wouldn't lose sleep over the camshaft, if the bushings are cooked, boy do you have a machine shop project, if the bushings are good, just with the cam followers in the way without removing the head...wow... oh btw.... I was told on here that a worn timing chain will make smoke, so like you, I tore the front end off, pulley was easy that time, and after all that... it made more smoke than the old chain... so.... I dunno what to say....
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DrLoch

02-03-2014 16:58:02
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 Re: all you new guys on here in reply to Tony in Mass., 02-03-2014 14:44:55  
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Tony, I certainly agree with everything you are saying. My tensioner is wore out and I believe the chain is stretched, I will know more about that once I get the new chain and do a comparison. What I was making reference to was the navigation instruments needed to get the cam installed and lined up correctly. I can see the scribe marks the person at the factory made, but, If the chain is stretched that will also throw off the injector timing since it's geared to the camshaft. Where I was going is to put an end to the all the navigation references when trying to install the cam and get it lined up correctly. The methodology that is explained in the manual is... lacking in detail.







What I've done is put my degree wheel on the crank so I can get the values needed to install the cam without all the navigation. With my old chain I know where the current intake centerline is with relationship to TDC. Don;t know if you can see, but I've removed the rockers so I don't have to worry about a valve contacting the piston while I try a few other things, I love experiments :? The dial indicator in on the end of the pushrod. I'll look at the results with the new chain to see how far they differ. Once thats done I'll spill time the injector pump against the degree wheel just to see where it is, already know where it should be. I'm curious of others things as well with regards to the cam events, not they really make much difference in the whole scheme of things, just curious. What I know now is that the intake centerline is close to that of a gasoline engine. Which is what one might expect. I Will know more once I get the new chain, I really don't want to repeat the steps if I can help it. Comparing the intake centerline with the old chain against that of a new chain properly set will give an idea of how far the injector pump timing would be retarded old versus new.

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Massey farmer

02-03-2014 17:20:53
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 Re: all you new guys on here in reply to DrLoch, 02-03-2014 16:58:02  
Haha, that ought to quiet him down lol.



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Jason S.

02-03-2014 14:28:34
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 Re: all you new guys on here in reply to DrLoch, 02-03-2014 09:10:35  
Dr Loch my email should be open. Send me an email with our address and I will send that cd to you. It covers the complete rebuild of the 23c as well as all the other engines in the FE35 series.



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DrLoch

02-03-2014 16:01:38
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 Re: all you new guys on here in reply to Jason S., 02-03-2014 14:28:34  
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Email not open, PM me.



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