HF markings on UK made's

Tony in Mass.

Well-known Member
As I continue to slowly dis-assemble the TEA20, I am getting confused, and the more online research I do, the more confused I get.
I came to the conclusion the axles and trumpets are Ford, totally different from a fergie... so I became suspicious of anything without the HF in a square as in my other- US made 30, 35, 40 etc.
There are obviously never buggered with factory TEA items, say, all the cast alu-min-E-um stuff. Tranny housing, tranny top, steering column, sump... all very not US or ford items... but nowhere an [HF] or part number.
So? What"s the guidelines here? which TEA parts have what for markings? Which are unmarked? Or please point me into a direction to read up on this. As I was talking to miner about, if these were collected as ford model A"s or military vehicles, every nut and bolt could be researched as correct or replaced... does any of this matter as long as our fergies look and run good???
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Only the American built tractors have the HF stamping. The British built tractors will have the mark of the casting foundry.....Leys or the triangular/diamond type logo incorporating the 3 spires of Coventry Cathedral (I do not remember the name of this foundry). You tractor does have ford rear axles with the nut on the outer end of the half-shafts....I cannot tell if they will fit the Ferguson trumpets or diff?? or if someone has fitted a complete Ford rear tranny??? and incorporated the Ferguson hydraulics....I do think that is possible, but am not familiar enough with ford stuff to know??
Can you photograph any of the casting marks?
We have an excellent forum for these type of questions, but you have to be a member of Friends of Ferguson Heritage (.co.uk)The guys on the forum just love to discuss questions like yours, Tony and we have only the occassional visitor from USA, Plenty from OZ and the Netherlands, Some also visit this site
More pics please?
Sam
 
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That is odd - no casting date?

Casting date should be here:



Is that housing aluminium alloy or cast iron? (Should be aluminium.)

Tony ... you tell me the component and I'll tell you if there are markings on the same component on my TEA20.

Bob in Oz
 
Bloody poms always tossin a bloody spanner in the bloody works eh?
Never seen a cast alu-min-E-um diff housing here, many if not all TO20 and TE & TEA20 gearboxes yes, diffs, no. US castings- all- and most every part have an [HF] on em. As Sam said, pommie models? not so much... bloody poms
 
You will not see an alu-min-e-um diff housing on any model of Ferguson, Tony.
See the Poms did not need to stamp HF on the parts as they knew what went where and what tractor it belonged to.....No Dorf competition over here! I am sure some of the upstanding residents of Detroit did not know nor care where the parts ended up so putting some sort of a tag on the individual parts helped identify what went where....Then some redneck found a tractor with no HF stamping and found that Dorf parts would still fit and left Tony with a headache!!!
Sam
 
Now Sam are you implying the [HF] marks were to control inventory?? As if the average Detroit lunch box could contain a nice sandwich on the way in? And hide a fergie arsend on the way home?
Well... what I've ever seen of Dextra's and Fordson majors... every bit and piece of either was unique to this galaxy... so Bob wants more pics to compare... but what US fergie is this closest to?? TO20? 30? As a '55, it seems to be inline with the 35-40 improvements... and the two breathers back into the intake system are things that weren't on cars here till the 70's... bloody backarseward yanks....
BTW, on my FENA calander.. this month's ferie has a 9N grill and other dorf parts too? ... must have been trendy.. or contagious???
 
(quoted from post at 22:03:09 12/07/13)
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That is odd - no casting date?

Casting date should be here:



Is that housing aluminium alloy or cast iron? (Should be aluminium.)

Tony ... you tell me the component and I'll tell you if there are markings on the same component on my TEA20.

Bob in Oz

There isn't a casting date there because it's Ford. I'm sure from behind the transmission back is Ford.
 

Here you go Tony. Here's a pic of the LEYS on the trumpets. As far as the throttle lever being bent, I watched that documentary carefully and I saw a few TEA's that had bent throttle levers and a few that didn't. So I'm not sure on that one...lol.

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(quoted from post at 08:30:08 12/08/13)
Here you go Tony. Here's a pic of the LEYS on the trumpets. As far as the throttle lever being bent, I watched that documentary carefully and I saw a few TEA's that had bent throttle levers and a few that didn't. So I'm not sure on that one...lol.

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Cryckey mate.... that's not my nicely (not rustoleum) painted arsend there Jason... that's Bob in Oz's... he might not take too kindly to you implying his meticulous restoration of 35 years is half Ford... oh I don't want to be the one who started and now is in the middle of this international incident...... bloody poms responsible for this too...
 
That response was meant for your rear Tony, not Bob"s. That didn"t sound right did it?...lol. Closest TO tractor to it? A TO-20. From my research, early TEA"s had the same 16 spline axles as the TO-20 but later ones got the 19 spline axles like the TO-30. To me, the TEA was the English equivalent of a TO-30 just with less weight and power.
 
Unless I counted wrong the N series Ford has 16 spline axle shafts. Which may have worked with the early TE and TEA's that used 16 spline shafts but later were ones we're supposed to have 19 spline shafts which means the whole rear axle would have to be Ford because the N axles wouldn't go into a 19 spline TEA differential.
 
There isn't a casting date there because it's Ford. I'm sure from behind the transmission back is Ford.

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