I Dropped a Washer...

down here:


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(The water outlet from the cylinder head.)

I can't see it, looking down the hole.

I'll try fishing with a magnet, but assuming that doesn't work (probably a pretty good assumption, given my luck), what will I need to do to find it?

Remove the head (again)? Could it have already gone through the head, and into a coolant passage in the block? What then?
 
(quoted from post at 16:24:23 11/30/13) pull the water pump.

Thanks, Bruce - I'll give that a try on Sunday. (I would have tried the water pump today, but I wanted to make sure that wouldn't be a waste of time.)
 
I can't remember for sure but I don't think it would do you any good to remove the water pump. You dropped the washer down the water outlet where the water comes out of the engine, which comes out of the head. The water pump pulls it from the radiator and pushes it thru the block and up thru the head. I could be wrong and I hope I am.
 
I think Jason is correct.........flip the tractor over, it'll fall out. If not, give it a shake. :lol:
Sorry, I had to.
 
Jason, looking at Figure 156 on page 78 of the Shop Manual, it looks like the washer could have followed the path the water takes out of the head (shown by the dashed lines), into the water pump.

If I'm looking at the picture correctly, part of that passage goes through the block, but I think I can access it by removing the water pump.
 
The bypass hole? I have a block at the house with the water pump removed. I will look and post back shortly.
 
(quoted from post at 21:02:20 11/30/13) I think Jason is correct.........flip the tractor over, it'll fall out. If not, give it a shake. :lol:
Sorry, I had to.

No problem, Inno.

I might as well laugh - keeps me from banging my head against the garage floor! :cry:
 
I doubt the small passage from the head to the water pump will give you access. A length of double-stick foam tape on the end of a piece of wire might hang onto the washer. The magnet might not be able to get to the washer without latching onto the head. Here is a thought: take the water pump off and tape your leaf blower to the hole in the block and maybe the washer will fly up to where you can get to it. No charge for that...

Don
 
(quoted from post at 03:10:11 12/01/13) Jason, looking at Figure 156 on page 78 of the Shop Manual, it looks like the washer could have followed the path the water takes out of the head (shown by the dashed lines), into the water pump.

If I'm looking at the picture correctly, part of that passage goes through the block, but I think I can access it by removing the water pump.

I didn't bother taking a pic of the block, here is the bottom of the head. I looked at the manual and it's showing an exaggeration of the bypass hole. It does go from the head and down thru the block into the water pump but it's not big enough for a washer to fall thru.It's the second hole down on the left.
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Thanks for posting the photo, Jason. I see what you mean about the bypass hole being too small to let the washer through.

The coolant passage in the head (the crescent-shaped one, right?) lines up with a round hole in the block, according to my old pictures.

I don't think the washer would have been able to fit through that round hole, so is it sitting on top of the block?

Might I be able to try something like Don suggested, and maybe suck it out with a shop-vac?
 
I doubt a washer would do any damage in the water jacket (cylinder head or block). The flow is from the pump to the block water jacket, through the cylinder head to the top rad hose. I don"t see how it could get to the coolant pump where it might do some damage.
 
How about something sticky on the end of a coat hanger like some duct sealant. Or even a wad of duct tape on a stick. But then maybe you run the risk of losing something else in there.
 
Well, I know I probably didn't need to, and maybe shouldn't have, BUT I removed the head, turned it upside down, and shook the washer out.

I hadn't read Jerry's post yet, and I had advice from an excellent source that said it wouldn't cause any problems, but I opted to take it out.

The washer was indeed still in the head, so I guess if it got past the thermostat, it would have ended up in the radiator, and probably stayed there.

It was still bugging me.

Oh, well - at least I'll get to use my torque wrench extension again.

Thanks to everyone for your help.
 
Too late now but just incase it happens again :shock:
An old stocking placed inside the hose as a strainer will catch any foreign object floating about once the engine is run. Put the toe end down the hose , remove the thermostat and replace hose with stocking clamped between it and the spigot . Works really well for catching loose rust particles after probing the water channels in the block too.
 

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