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Re: Changing oil Oil filter reinstall on TO 20

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Tom in MO

04-09-2013 19:09:28
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Jason, I like the look of the WIX filter, too - it"s got a metal casing both inside AND outside, so it doesn"t look like there"s any chance the filter could "blow out" from the inside-to-outside oil flow in the TO-20.

I"ll try to post a picture of the WIX and Baldwin filters that I have, for comparison. (I don"t know what"s in the TO-20.)

Thanks for the diagram.




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whoknew62

04-10-2013 08:57:24
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 Re: Changing oil Oil filter reinstall on TO 20 in reply to Tom in MO, 04-09-2013 19:09:28  

Hi Tom, I am going to try to load a photo of the WIX 51107 that came out of the tractor. Hopefully it is not to large a file. Wanted to show the " resesed " area I am trying to describe. The NAPA WIX 1107, while the same height, has the holes you slide the filter on with all the way to the top & bottom of their canister. This original filter, length of holes from top to bottom would be at least 2 inches shorter, Though the filter itself is same height.Original filter is Identicle to photo on bottom. My guess is , there must be a reason for this. Is this what your WIX51010 looks like?
Thanks again for your help.

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Tom in MO

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 Re: Changing oil Oil filter reinstall on TO 20 in reply to whoknew62, 04-10-2013 08:57:24  
Jerry, if I'm looking at your photo correctly, the 51107 has sort of a rounded "dome" on top - is that right?

The 51010 does not look like your 51107. (Just so I'm clear - the 51107 filter in your picture is one you purchased new, and just recently installed? Was it old stock? The holes look completely different that the 51010.)

The 51010 is about 4.25 inches tall, and 3.75 inches in diameter.

On each end, there is a raised metal circle (same metal as the body of the filter), about 1/8" tall, and 1.25 inches in diameter. (Like a bulls-eye, in the center of the top and bottom.)

There's a hole, a little over a half-inch in diameter, in the center of that raised area on each end. You can feel the edge of a rubber seal, when you put your finger in the hole.

The Baldwin P40 is the same size as the WIX 51010, but the "raised area" on each end is smaller, and made of rubber.

In other words, when you set both filters down on their bottom, the WIX is sitting on metal, and the Baldwin is sitting on rubber.

If the filter needs to seal on the ends, it looks like the Baldwin will work better than the WIX.

I'll try to post some pictures.

A while back, I went to the Fram website, and got a list of "Competitor Cross References" to the Fram C153, which should be the "right" filter for the TO-20.

As near as I can tell, all of the filters Fram's list, including the WIX 51107, have been discontinued. (Fram even cross-references back to the Ferguson TO-18662-2 number, which is the part number for the oil filter in the original TO-20 manual!)

Keep in mind: I have NOT taken the filter out of my TO-20 yet, so I have no idea what I'll find in there. You're much better off listening to Jason, who has actual experience!

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whoknew62

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 Re: Changing oil Oil filter reinstall on TO 20 in reply to Tom in MO, 04-10-2013 09:54:02  
Hi Tom, The photo is The Old, or Original filter I took out of the TO20 to replace. Yes, it has a dome type top. It is identicle in all measures & specs to the bottom side as well.This original filter is about 4-1/8" at it highest points. & 4" wide. Outside of the tappered top & bottom, I am primarily trying to show that the hole in center is set down about 1 inch on top, & bottom, in addition to having more steel bowl type clearance outside the hole. The replacement NAPA gave me, 1107 WIX, is a symmetrical canister type. Same in height at its highest points, but less in wigth, (Mabe 3-1/2") dont know , as it is installed in the tractor. I wasent aware Jason had experiance with this so I will reply to him again. The spec diagram helped a bit, but mostly to confirm I put it all back together correctly. 1 thing on the spec diagram though, is that spring . That may go down in the top of the oil filter to keep a small nylon ring or something against the inner resesed hole., "when I get the correct 1, or put my old 1 back in I will check it out.") My smoke & poor running issue that happened after this darn simple oil & filter change, is likely due either to the wrong filter, Or the loose inner housing I have been describing, or mabe both. (Picture a paint can with no top, no bottom, that is what the screen & filter go inside of. Mine is loose. Mentioned earlier, but I pulled out 2 tiny pieces of metal that were laying loose. 1 Mangled, 1 not. They may be tabs to hold this "paint can" housing tight. Thanks again for the Part #s & description .
Think I will try again, to order the original Fram C153 I mentioned in 1st post. THAT, I saw a photo of, and it is exactly what came out of the tractor, what is in the photo above. Jason said stay away from Fram for some reason. Im simply trying to find New, exactly what I took out. Well??? I best get back to it. best regards, Jerry

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