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Inno 01-05-2013 08:13:16 70.49.139.125 Report to Moderator	For my TO35 I would like to find the pin or bracket that I would use for when I have an implement in place without the need for draft control (mower, auger etc) so as to hook it up correctly to the attachment point on the rear diff. I looked it up on the Acgo parts site but could not seem to find a bracket or pin listed in the lift links section, rear diff. or anywhere else I could see. Does anyone have a part number or picture they could provide? [Reply]   [No Email]
Inno 01-06-2013 20:59:49 70.55.14.50 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   Thanks, I see it there now that I know what I'm looking for. I'll add one to my next order.........which will be for clutch parts and engine and trans seals.   [Reply]  [No Email]
John-30 01-06-2013 17:40:54 50.41.76.129 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   That pin is available here. Look under Ferguson 35 parts for top link pin.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Inno 01-05-2013 22:06:49 64.229.157.71 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   Thanks for the pictures. Will it hurt anything to connect a mower as Bob has it there? I don't imagine there is a need for draft control on a mower but is it harmful to do it that way? What sorts of things are the lower attachment points designed for? Tony, did that tractor come from the wreck of the Titanic? Pretty rusty lookin'. My bucket of bolts probably doesn't have one that long.   [Reply]  [No Email]
miner09 01-06-2013 10:30:25 75.230.230.135 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 22:06:49   Pin.   [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 01-06-2013 09:14:18 79.76.240.215 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 22:06:49   Nearly all Ferguson implements attach to the Top Link connection, only a few special implements use the lower hinged pin. A Post Hole Borer is one, the Trailer Hitch is another and draw-bar stays for the linkage draw-bar, but there are a lot more. It is just a stronger attachment point and was used on the old Grey tractors right from the very early days. You can safely use the Top Link connection to attach your Ferguson Mower without any problems as it is made to attach at this point. Regarding Draft Control, obviously you don't use it as it is not running in the ground, so you use Position Control if you have a 35 type tractor, which will hold the mower at whatever height you need to set it above the Ground and you move the Draft Lever down to the bottom of the Quadrant out of the way. If you have a 20 or 30 type tractor, then you use the Chain in the center of the mower draw-bar, hooked into the Rack on the Top Link to hold it at the correct height (PTO shaft Level) and lift and lower with the Quadrant Lever as normal....... John(UK)...fergusontractors@hotmail.com   [Reply]  [No Email]
maxwell99 01-06-2013 05:49:41 208.78.250.177 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 22:06:49   Inno, I have a 1957, TO35, it came with the cross bar hitch just like the one in the picture. Later we bought a under belly rear hitch for the tractor. I also use the stabilizer arms that go from the end of the lift arms up to the long pin when i have my seed sower mounted, it runs off a rubber hose connected to the pto and the seeder must be at the same level all the time, so you do not ruin the drive line hose. somewhere down the road i have seen a bracket that fits onto that long bolt, the bracket has a connector like the normal top link connection. If you look up the old fergy post hole digger, the top link of the phd was attached to that long pin not the req top link. Harry Ferguson and his boys, did not put that long bolt on there for show, I bet there are some dudes out there that know of many other fergy implements that were designed to be top link hitched to that long bolt.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Bob Mc 01-05-2013 16:55:52 99.197.128.57 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   Here is a picture of my TO35 with the mower attached.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tony in Mass. 01-05-2013 13:04:46 76.127.225.182 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   I couldn't get the snow off any other tractor with this pin, snow is solid as concrete and the traps are kinda brittle is these temps.... ooooh, I remember something on the industrial, so peeked under the narrow model with the cab, and that has just a long nut and bolt, and the fenders are much closer together than normal, so go dump out you bucket of ol bolts... I bet you got one that fits!   [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 01-05-2013 12:20:10 79.76.255.4 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   If you want to attach anything to the tractor but not to the Draft Control, you use a long hinged pin that is below the Top Link attachment. If the implement is made to attach at this point it will be OK but if you are using something that isn't made to attach at this point be careful or you can break the casting when you lift because there isn't enough clearance around the top end of the implement connection. I have attached a picture with the linkage drawbar stays attached to this pin..John(UK)   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tom in MO 01-09-2013 09:51:33 64.136.27.163 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to John(UK), 01-05-2013 12:20:10   John(UK): on my TO-20, someone must have done just what you described in your post, as one side of the "non-draft control" attachment point is broken off, making it unusable. 1. Can it be repaired? If so, how much disassembly of the internal hydraulic stuff is necessary to make it safe to weld a new piece on to that casting? 2. In the meantime, can I just use the "draft control" top link attachment point, even for implements that don"t need draft control? 3. I just happened across a set of drawbar stays, like those pictured in your post - can they be attached to the "draft control" attachment point, instead of how they"re attached in your photo?   [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 01-09-2013 11:19:40 79.76.250.201 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Tom in MO, 01-09-2013 09:51:33   I have seen them broken off before and it has always been due to some clown towing from just one lug on the casting. They don't break easily but when they snatch at it and possibly not pulling in-line as well, anything can happen. I have also had one break when trying to remove the bush out of the center of the Top Link Rocker, they didn't warm it up and it was seized solid, so you can guess what would happen. You simply use the Top Link connection for most implements, if was meant to be attached on the hinged pin it would be a totally different fitting. Always attach your implements to the Top Link connection unless it has a different fitting than a normal top link. If you have any doubts about a particular implement, just email me with a picture of it if you can and I will be able to tell you. But to clarify, it doesn't matter if you are using the Draft Control or not, you nearly always attach the Top Link to the Draft Control Spring. It is made to operate like this. I say NEARLY ALWAYS because there are a few exceptions to this rule, but these implements are now few and far between. Draw-bar stays on a TO20/30 and TE models always attach to the Top Link connection, the picture I sent last time was for a TO35 and they attach to the long pin as in the picture, you could use these on your tractor if the Pin was not broken. John(UK)..fergusontractors@hotmail.com   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tom in MO 01-09-2013 12:42:21 64.136.27.163 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to John(UK), 01-09-2013 11:19:40   Thanks, John. Given that I can use attach (virtually) all implements to the Draft Control Spring, would it even be worth the trouble to try to repair the casting at the other (lower) attachment point? (Unless I completely run out of things to fix, that is!)   [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 01-10-2013 01:37:00 79.76.250.201 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Tom in MO, 01-09-2013 12:42:21   No not worth it. If we had been having this conversation 50 years ago when the tractors were still in work full time it may have been different but these days very few attachments would use that connection point as I said yesterday. Unless you are a perfectionist and want to show the tractor, forget it. Most implements are made to use the Top Link Connection and not the long hinged pin. The top link attachment point is only working when the implement is in the ground, NOT when the implement is above the ground as there is no pressure from the implement to operate the draft control. This is how it is meant to operate so don't think about it anymore..John(UK)...fergusontractors@hotmail.com   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tom in MO 01-10-2013 04:58:14 64.136.27.164 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to John(UK), 01-10-2013 01:37:00   Actually, John, I took a closer look, and the attachment point is fine. What I was seeing was the original long, hinged pin (it looks original, anyway), that was broken off on one end. (It looks like it seized in the hole/bushing.) I"ll just (carefully) extract that broken/seized pin, and I should be good to go. Thanks again.   [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 01-10-2013 07:43:57 79.76.240.57 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Tom in MO, 01-10-2013 04:58:14   Wonderful, glad that it is OK. The hinged pin on a TO20/30 or a TE tractor should have a shoulder on the Pin at the opposite end to the Linch in hole. This is to allow a bigger hole on the casting so that you an pull out the Bush through the bottom of the Top Link Rocker, the Hinged Pin on a TO35 or 65 does not have this shoulder, so be aware if you buy a new pin..John(UK)...fergusontractors@hotmail.com   [Reply]  [No Email]
miner09 01-05-2013 11:34:31 75.230.6.148 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   Look at pictures of HC-LPG and you can see what it looks like.   [Reply]  [No Email]
miner09 01-05-2013 11:33:12 75.230.6.148 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   The pin hinges and goes in the housing.That's all you need.   [Reply]  [No Email]
miner09 01-05-2013 11:29:20 75.230.6.148 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   Sparex has the pin---#S.71--$9 If you don't have a dealer close e-mail me. I'm a dealer.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Inno 01-05-2013 10:04:02 70.49.139.125 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   Is it the hinged one? I guess that's probably it, yeah, a foot long sounds about right. Is there any other bracket or piece I need or just that pin and the same top link I would use on other things? I guess my auger has it's own top link, how do I go about attaching it, there are three ears that the pin goes through, on on each side and one in the middle. That's what makes me wonder if there is another bracket I need.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tony in Mass. 01-05-2013 09:22:15 76.127.225.182 Report to Moderator	Re: Non draft control top link pin in reply to Inno, 01-05-2013 08:13:16   I could take a picture of one after lunch- if the tarp isn't froze stiff in that area. Cold here too! You are talking about a pin about a foot long with a hinge in the middle- I think. It is only hinged so you don't have to get wedged against the left fender when pulling it out all the way, but to just slip on a top link, it doesn't have to go that far- IIRC??? Pics later...   [Reply]  [No Email]