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Jr. Roby 11-19-2012 15:21:09 67.142.179.22 Report to Moderator	do all green and grey to35s 1955 have live power? [Reply]   [No Email]
DanP 11-21-2012 18:03:36 24.60.126.220 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Jr. Roby, 11-19-2012 15:21:09   I have a standard TO-35 serial No. S169xxx. I think mine is an early 1956?? Not a live PTO. Looks like orginal colors were green/gray. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tony in Mass. 11-20-2012 16:17:55 76.127.225.182 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Jr. Roby, 11-19-2012 15:21:09   It may not be written in stone... but I believe 2 (7) tractors has a good hunch here. The ...cheap? and industrials I ran into over the years seem to have a two position PTO lever. They never have a 'ground' postion, and usually the plate is worded 'engine' for live/2 stage models, and 'transmission' for the one disc models.... I think... and so does 2... now I wish I took more pictures of people's stuff. [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 11-20-2012 08:25:32 79.76.255.252 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Jr. Roby, 11-19-2012 15:21:09   No they don't. Tachometers were optional or could be purchased later and fitted, so ignore that. Check the feel of the pedal, you will feel two definite stages on the clutch pedal if it is livedrive.....John(UK)....fergusontractors@hotmail.com [Reply]  [No Email]
Inno 11-20-2012 06:12:33 206.47.249.246 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to nonot, 11-19-2012 15:21:09   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I didn't take it as a put down at all, I'd hate for people to think I'm spreading bad information. No worries. :) [Reply]  [No Email]
phil(va) 11-19-2012 20:18:58 76.1.132.68 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Jr. Roby, 11-19-2012 15:21:09   I believe Richard is correct. Lots of times you hear people say having the tach means it is a deluxe and thus live power, or having the deluxe seat means it is a deluxe and thus live power, etc. None of those are good indicators. Only the two stage clutch is a good indicator. And even for the later ones with an 'm' they could be single stage clutch if someone replaced the tag or the dash and didn't swap the tag. [Reply]  [No Email]
Inno 11-19-2012 19:32:42 64.229.208.148 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Jr. Roby, 11-19-2012 15:21:09   Thanks Richard, I was not aware of that. [Reply]  [No Email]
Richard L 11-20-2012 05:12:04 71.90.139.15 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Inno, 11-19-2012 19:32:42   Inno, I was not trying to put you down because that is not what this forum is for. It is to help everyone to try to know what is correct or how to do something, all I can do sometimes is "try" as I am a long way from an expert. I have been corrected occasionally and that is one way I can learn, hopefully. LOL [Reply]  [No Email]
Richard L 11-19-2012 19:06:26 71.90.139.15 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Jr. Roby, 11-19-2012 15:21:09   Inno, he said he had a 1955 they did not put the prefix letters on them, they started with the prefix letters at the same time they started using the Bamboo Beige in May of 1956 so the very early 1956s did not have the prefix letters either. [Reply]  [No Email]
Inno 11-19-2012 17:24:16 64.229.208.148 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Jr. Roby, 11-19-2012 15:21:09   I concur, live PTO only if equipped with dual clutch. There are letters on the serial number plate before the serial number which will tell you if it has it or not. First letter indicates type of tractor: S-Standard/Utility Chassis C-High Clearance/High Arch R-Row Crop Dual Wheel T-Row Crop Single Wheel J-Industrial/Multi Purpose V-Vineyard Second Letter indicates engine type: G-Gasoline H-High Altitude Gasoline B-LP D-Standard Diesel N-Perkins Diesel K-TVO L-Lamp Oil Third and/or following letter indicates options F-Single Stage Clutch M-Dual Stage Clutch (live PTO) Y-Differential Lock W-Multi-Power So my 1959 TO-35 with standard chassis, gasoline engine and dual clutch has SGM before the serial number. This post was edited by Inno at 17:56:14 11/19/12 3 times. [Reply]  [No Email]
Richard L 11-19-2012 15:31:04 71.90.139.15 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Jr. Roby, 11-19-2012 15:21:09   No they do not. If it has a two stage clutch then it will have live power the way I understand it. [Reply]  [No Email]
2tractors 11-20-2012 05:05:54 207.144.5.133 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Richard L, 11-19-2012 15:31:04   I thought live power and 2 stage were one and the same. [Reply]  [No Email]
Richard L 11-20-2012 05:20:55 71.90.139.15 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to 2tractors, 11-20-2012 05:05:54   2 I believe the way you are thinking you are sorta correct. You can't have a two stage clutch without live power and you can't have live power without the two stage clutch. They do go hand in hand, however the clutch is the clutch and the hydraulics are the hydraulics. I believe this is one of those items that it depends on how exactly precise a person wants to say it. [Reply]  [No Email]
s19438 11-20-2012 06:33:27 108.36.215.99 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to Richard L, 11-20-2012 05:20:55   how bout this way: a two stage clutch gives the tractor live pto but a pto cannot give the tractor a two stage clutch ??? [Reply]  [No Email]
Richard L 11-20-2012 07:42:32 71.90.139.15 Report to Moderator	Re: live power in reply to s19438, 11-20-2012 06:33:27   This is true. I think. LOL [Reply]  [No Email]