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Ed H.-OH 10-13-2012 10:09:21 72.23.247.131 Report to Moderator	Hello Guys, After 30 years of dependable service my old 35 finaly broke down, I checked the fluids as i was going to use it after it sat all summer. The coolant was low and the oil was overfull, I pulled the drain plug from the oil pan and 2 qts. of coolant came out before the oil. I got the backhoe and loader off and it in my shop, No#2 cylinder lower packing is leaking.The bearings were starting to turn dark and pit from the antifreeze, I caught it just in time.I"m going to overhaul it as it"s already tore down and put a clutch in it. It will be good for another 30 i hope as my son wants it. So watch the coolant in your 35"s as liner packing can go at any time, and the coolant will eat all the bearings. -cheers-ed [Reply]   [No Email]
PackardV8 10-15-2012 19:27:46 64.12.116.19 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   4th row last column of the above bellhousing link shows somekind of Mazda pattern that looks promising but no dimensions. Based on my preliminary ruff measurements thus far the Z120 has approx. 15.5" diameter bolt pattern. Of course starter location is an issue. The Mazda or what ever it is i referenced above has what appears to be a good starter location. EDIT: CORRECTION it is Mitsubishi. NOT Mazda. This post was edited by PackardV8 at 19:31:07 10/15/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
PackardV8 10-15-2012 19:21:46 64.12.116.19 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   Here is a library of bellhousing bolt patterns: http://www.google.com/search?q=bellhousing+bolt+pattern&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=KGB7UIHsEM_H0AGIyIGAAQ&ved=0CFIQsAQ&biw=1072&bih=572 [Reply]  [No Email]
PackardV8 10-15-2012 19:19:07 64.12.116.135 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   I will. All it takes is one of the Ford engines for me. I don't need many. But here's the suspected problem: Do an eBay search on ford engines 221,260, 289 even without regard to year. About 200 hits maybe. That makes the ford engines even more rare than Packard V8 engines (used only 2 years). Then do an eBay search on Chevy 283 (not to mention 265, 302,305,307,327, 350) and get about 1500 hits on the 283 alone. This has been the problem over the many years. Chevy is about the ONLY engine other than B+S and maybe HD that retained design consistencey for decades. Many thanks for the F 221,260 and 289 (64 and earlier). I'll keep researching as i go. In the meanwhile i'll try some gerry rigging to fix the current Z120 just to patch me thru until i can find a ford engine. This post was edited by PackardV8 at 19:36:53 10/15/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
PackardV8 10-14-2012 17:30:28 64.12.116.19 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   I nominate Duner Wi and DKase for Ferguson Hall of Fame 2012. Many thanks for the info on the 5 Bolt Ford engines. I'll check into it closer. [Reply]  [No Email]
Duner Wi 10-15-2012 18:01:57 216.226.80.242 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to PackardV8, 10-14-2012 17:30:28   If you ever find out anything please post it. [Reply]  [No Email]
PackardV8 10-14-2012 12:34:15 205.188.116.19 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   I've never had the head removed from any Z120 engine. So i mite be a bit off base. But according to my blue Ferguson Dealer Shop Manual page five, figure 7 there is what appears to be a large block cavity between the left water jacket and the left most outer wall of the engine block. That alarms me in that if i drill thru both sides of the block to install a long rod with nuts an each side then there will be leakage from the valve pushrod cavity into the water jacket. No??? [Reply]  [No Email]
PackardV8 10-14-2012 11:11:28 64.12.116.19 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   The catch is to determine where to drill the holes from the outside of the block. Some carefull measuring required. Otherwise if holes are off just a little bit then the rod would bind against one of the sleeves. I think i can do it. Mine is only cracked between #3 and #4. I prefer to repair this particular engine than to do a conversion or a swap. But i still have a sinking feeling that sooner or later we're all gonna have to discover someother brandX modern day engine that converts easily without alot of fancy custom made adapters. Or someone needs to manufacture one. Plenty of chevy 4 cylinders and V6's out there as well as V8's. AFAIK All chevies since 55 use the same bellhousing pattern so chevy is most likely candidate for a gasoline conversion. Cheap, plentiful and consistent are the Chevy engines. And even a back woods hillbilly like me knows how to work on one and get parts easily. [Reply]  [No Email]
Duner Wi 10-14-2012 16:41:32 216.226.80.242 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to PackardV8, 10-14-2012 11:11:28   From the archives posted by DKase in 2002 DKase Re: Z129 is Shot, Need Suggestions in reply to Chuck (CA), 04-12-2002 11:04:48 289 Ford V8 five bolt bellhousing will fit with some work. Did it to mine 8 years ago runs GREAT!!!!! DKase 04-16-2002 06:35:46 204.221.160.93 Re: Re: Re: Z129 is Shot, Need Suggestions in reply to PAUL, 04-16-2002 01:40:10 It has to be a 221, 260, or 5 bolt bellhousing 289 ford engine. The 289's 65 and newer have a 6 bolt housing and that won't work. The biggest problem I had was cooling. Mine has a belly mower under it and it is a daily user. I ended up with the hood, grill, and radiator from a 930 Case diesel before my temperature problems were completly solved. I don't have a digital camera so a picture is tough. It fits in there so nice that most people don't even notice it. Takes 2 hours and less gas to mow my 7 acre lawn than the Z120 did. To explain how I fit it in would take me an hour and several pages. I'm calving now and can't take that kind of time, but I can sure answer questions between calves. I live in SD and you're welcome to come and look. I havn't had time to paint it up so it is not real pretty,but it has potential to be a showstopper! [Reply]  [No Email]
Ed H.-OH 10-14-2012 11:43:20 72.23.247.131 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to PackardV8, 10-14-2012 11:11:28   Packard , good luck to you, If you clean the crack good with engine degresser, shoot some sealer in it,and pull the crack closed it should work. Becareful and don't drill through an oil rifle in the block. -ed [Reply]  [No Email]
PackardV8 10-14-2012 08:35:59 205.188.116.132 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   Thanks for the slick trick tip on the hardened threaded rod. I mite try that instead of the marine grade epoxy i was getting ready to use in about an hour from now. When the threaded rod is used is there anything else that needs to be done other than the obvious sealer on the nuts at the outside of the block??? [Reply]  [No Email]
Ed H.-OH 10-14-2012 09:04:37 72.23.247.131 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to PackardV8, 10-14-2012 08:35:59   Packard, Hi!, I don't know if it's workable on the to20 engine , I,ve never been close to one. But i have seen at least 3, z134's with 2 bolts through the block holding the webbing together. The last one i seen was a mf 135 and it looked like it had been done years before, The guy clamed it runs great, he didn't even know the block had been repaired.I don't know this for a fact' but i've been told the web between 1-2 has an oil passage through it on the z134. when cracked will leak oil pressure into the radiator. Thanks for the come back-ed [Reply]  [No Email]
PackardV8 10-14-2012 07:43:17 64.12.116.19 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   Quote: . " It's never been over 185 in 30 years. I know one thing, that tractor is like an old friend to me" Ok. then what caused it to start leaking and or crack if that is the case???? In my personal opinion, and based on the almost chronic claims of cracked blocks we need to determine what realtively cheap and plentiful, easy to find relatively modern day engine can be easily adapted for an engine conversion. Several have gone to SUV diesels. I mite have to do that myseld. But rite now prefer to find a gasloine engine to replace the Z120 with. There has got to be something. [Reply]  [No Email]
Ed H.-OH 10-14-2012 08:19:43 72.23.247.131 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to PackardV8, 10-14-2012 07:43:17   Packard, Hi!, As for the cracks,It is known that continentals have weak webbing in there blocks and are known for cracking. AS for the wet liners, they are known for working in the block because the liner protrusion wasn't right on asembly, rotting out from electrolsis and coolant exposure,packing deterioration. I have seen cummins liners with a pin hole leaking coolant in on the piston. I'm surprised they lasted 30 years.- Hope this helps-ed [Reply]  [No Email]
PackardV8 10-14-2012 07:33:20 64.12.116.19 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   Don't have to pull head or liners necassarily. Pull the oil pan. Clean and inspect area beween liners of 1&2 and 3&4. I have a TE20 with Z120 rite now in the shop cracked at bottom between 3&4. PAN only removed. Not removed head yet and don't really plan to. Disconnect radiator hoses from rad. Fill with water and leak test over nite. watch for where the water comes from. Be aware that if it drips from crack in area between liners it mite run down liner and only appear to be comming from liner seal. [Reply]  [No Email]
Ed H.-OH 10-14-2012 07:52:20 72.23.247.131 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to PackardV8, 10-14-2012 07:33:20   Packard, Hello, I was looking for a crack when i pressure checked it , so far i've not found one. But i will check it again before i go further. If it's cracked i will probably drill holes in the sides of the block and pull it back together with a hardened rod threaded on each end. I've seen this done before on the z134 and it works good. Thanks for your consern and help-ed [Reply]  [No Email]
PackardV8 10-13-2012 17:11:50 64.12.116.19 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   Check the block casting web directly between the cylinder sleeves. It maybe cracked at that point and not leaking at the liner seals. [Reply]  [No Email]
Ed H.-OH 10-14-2012 07:10:04 72.23.247.131 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to PackardV8, 10-13-2012 17:11:50   Hello, Thanks for the input, You may well be right, I will find out today when i pull the head and liners. I was told that they can do that when i bought the tractor, so I have been very carefull not to overheat it. It's never been over 185 in 30 years. I know one thing, that tractor is like an old friend to me, and one way or another it will be fixed and running again, I don't care what it costs. - ed [Reply]  [No Email]
2tractors 10-13-2012 17:01:44 207.144.5.133 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   Ed, say it ain't so!!ok you gotta small leak from one of the liners so go ahead and do them all and loan me all your implements while your rebuilding. [Reply]  [No Email]
Ed H.-OH 10-14-2012 06:52:56 72.23.247.131 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to 2tractors, 10-13-2012 17:01:44   2tractors, Hello, Sure no problem LOL, Old Harry might be down for a while but i still have a 2000 ford with a loader on it, so i wont be shoveling snow this winter. The 35 will be a winter project for me and my son, I like to keep somthing in my shop to tinker with on the weekends when it"s cold out. cheers-ed [Reply]  [No Email]
s19438 10-13-2012 12:05:56 72.94.45.81 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to Ed H.-OH, 10-13-2012 10:09:21   oh my ! [Reply]  [No Email]
VTParts 10-14-2012 16:22:30 72.71.201.20 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to s19438, 10-13-2012 12:05:56   Ed, If your block turns out to be bad, we have two of them in stock. Dave vermontventuresllc@gmail.com [Reply]  [No Email]
Ed H.-OH 10-14-2012 16:37:11 72.23.247.131 Report to Moderator	Re: To35 z134 Liner packing leak in reply to VTParts, 10-14-2012 16:22:30   Thanks, I doubt it's cracked, but you never know .I may be in touch ed [Reply]  [No Email]