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Buyer and Seller Feedback - Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms

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FarmallTom

11-23-2010 09:01:02
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I had a MM 1355 for sale last summer. Mr. Woodrmm called and spoke for the tractor. We agreed that he could put some money down on it and the remainder could be paid at the time of pick up.
That was in June.
Having heard nothing more from him, I contacted him again in Aug. or Sept. (Can't recall w/o looking back) He told me that he'd lost my number and that he was still trying to find someone to haul the tractor for him.
By October, I still had heard nothing so I attempted to call him again. He no longer answers his phone nor returns the numerous messages I have left him.
I looked up what I believe to be his home number and tried him there. I have only gotten a woman that I presume to be his wife. She always says that she will give him the message to call me but I have yet to get that call.
This AM I called and asked if he was there. She said, Yes, just a minute..." Then, a few seconds later... "Oh, I guess he's in the shower."
I left my number again but have still received no call.
I don't want to sell a tractor out from under a guy that has $1000 down money on it but I can't sit on it forever.
In my messages I told him that he didn't necessarily have to move it immediately but I would like the balance due since we are now pushing 6 months.

Anyone know this guy??
What's the deal??

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48farmall

02-25-2011 14:58:36
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
Glad I just did a search on this guy-
I placed an ad looking for John Deere A parts and I spoke to him a couple times. Said he'd have everything except the pistons I'm looking for... It's been 2 weeks since I spoke to him last (supposedly his wife just had a kid that day) and now he won't answer phone calls or emails. I left another message this afternoon, we'll see how it turns out. Right now I'm just pissed that he's wasted 2 weeks of my time, I wanted to have this tractor ready by summer...

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FarmallTom

02-25-2011 18:32:20
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to 48farmall, 02-25-2011 14:58:36  
Yep - and I never did hear from him...
I'd have given some or all of his money back if he'd have just answered or returned my calls but...
By this time, I figure he's burned it all up in storage and also in wasting my time.



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BDT in Minnesota

12-16-2010 11:40:04
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
Tom, you have been more than fair and accomodating on this deal..

You have no control over the other feller, or his ""business practices"" - he has fallen "short" on the deal.

I think it is overdue for you be a little more "kind" to yourself and relist the tractor for sale..and send him a refund..



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tempola

12-15-2010 05:50:10
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
Seems to me the fellow should be straight up with you.

since you're having thoughts about the $1000 tells me you're a straight up guy. I think you have given hum enough time.

Through no fault of my own, I once had to back out of a deal on a M farmall. I went to see him, and explained the situation, I did not want to tie him up.

The guy was straight up and gave me my money back, even though I did not ask. I gave him a few hundred back for his trouble. The man was dumbfounded. Now I can buy anything, anytime from him. just on my word if I dont have the cash.

Being straight up is the only way to go. he is being wrong avoiding you. I bet if he told you the scoop, you would understand, and work with him.

I'd put that tractor back up for sale if I were you. The man tied you up, and was disrespectful. whether or not you refunded the 1000 is your call. if it were me, I MIGHT offer him part, if he asked nicely.

Andy

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135 Fan

12-15-2010 14:01:19
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to tempola, 12-15-2010 05:50:10  
I agree with your post. As far as refunding some of the money, I think it should be dependent on what he ends up selling the tractor for. If he gets the same price, refund about 80% of the deposit for his trouble. Since the guy is avoiding him, he could wait till the guy actually contacts him before just sending any money. It's in the guys best interest to contact the seller and the seller has done everything possible to accomadate him. The seller put the ball in the other guys court. It's up to him to do something with it. Dave

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FarmallTom

12-13-2010 11:17:49
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
By way of an update...
I've called and talked to the same woman 2 or 3 more times. Each time she assures me that she has given / will give him the message to call.
A couple times ago she said he told her that he had tried but couldn't get a hold of me.
When I told her that my phone was on 24/7 and there had been no missed calls and no voicemails, she just didn't know what to say.
This guy may be a decent fella'... I don't know.
Unfortunately, he's looking more and more like a deadbeat to me all the time.

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135 Fan

12-13-2010 13:13:47
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 12-13-2010 11:17:49  
"This guy may be a decent fella'... I don't know".

Yes you do! Don't waste any more time on him. Check with a lawyer but I think you're entitled to keep the deposit after so many days/months. Even if you aren't, let him get a hold of you and sue you if he feels cheated. You could counter that is was a breach of contract and/or charge him storage on top of the rest of the money for the tractor. In the mean time relist the tractor and don't worry about him at all. There's a reason he's not contacting you but that's his problem, not yours. I'm guessing he thinks you want the the rest of the money and he doesn't have it. You didn't have a deal with the woman, so stop calling her. He's got your messages and is avoiding you. Why should you care, you've got a $1000 and still have the tractor. Dave

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Al in Ark

12-13-2010 16:46:43
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to 135 Fan, 12-13-2010 13:13:47  
dave not everybody thinks like you do thankfully why don't you stop berating the guy he does have a conscience unlike you. he does not want to roast the guy he wants an equitable and fair ending to this situation. why do you feel the need to order him around and do his thinking for him? al



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135 Fan

12-14-2010 01:12:54
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to Al in Ark, 12-13-2010 16:46:43  
He posted on a forum! He's called numerous times and left numerous messages. It would be in the other guys best interest to call him back. How many times should he have to leave a message or how long should he wait? 100 messages or 2 years, which ever takes longer? Maybe if he does advertise the tractor again it won't sell or will sell for less. Should he have to lose money because someone expects him to hold the tractor indefinately and won't even let him know what's going on? I wasn't ordering him around. I gave him a suggestion that I think others would agree with. Do you think a dealer would hold a tractor for months on end and keep phoning and leaving messages? There comes a time when you have to say enough is enough. If the guy wants any of his deposit back, he should call. If you take something in for repairs and leave it too long, the shop has a legal right to sell it. He could have lost a lot of prospective buyers waiting to hear back from the guy. Dave

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730d se

12-14-2010 08:04:59
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to 135 Fan, 12-14-2010 01:12:54  
Not sure I would use a "dealer" as a back board on this one. Many dealers would have us believe that money is more important to them than it is us. That is how they try to justify always trying to get the bigger end of the stick, instead of just making fair deals where both parties come out good.
It appears that this seller is one to model. He is going beyond the call of duty, not just being stupid greedy thinking, "ummmm, got $1,000 and still got my tractor, what a deal!"
The high road is to always try to do what is right, the low road is extremely crowded these days and is getting worse.

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135 Fan

12-14-2010 10:45:58
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to 730d se, 12-14-2010 08:04:59  
I think he's done just about everything he can to get a hold of the guy. He's got $1000 and still his tractor. That's the point. He'd rather not have the tractor and have the rest of the money that was agreed upon. He's not taking the low road if the guy won't contact him after repeated messages. I think from a legal stand point, he could take the guy to court for the rest of the money and give him the tractor in exchange. The guy that gave the deposit is the one that has to do something, anything, instead of just ignoring all the calls. The seller has given the guy every opportunity but the guy has his head in the sand. Dave

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Brian Jasper co. Ia

12-04-2010 17:37:44
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
If it were me, I'd let him know you're advertising it for sale again. If the guy doesn't come up with the rest of the $$, sell it to someone who actually does. If the guy asks for his money back, let your concience be your guide...



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ricky c

11-28-2010 18:30:02
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
bout some hubs from him but cant find his number. sounded like a real straight fellow.



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JDseller

11-25-2010 23:09:15
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
I would send him certified notice that he has X many of days to pay the balance in full. If he does not do that then I would relist the item. After it sells if you get what you had orginally wanted then I would send his money back BUT if you can"t get what you had a agreed on because the market changed then take the difference out of his deposit and send him whatever is left.



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davediehl@hotmail.com

11-25-2010 19:58:20
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
I would call again and explain to the female that you have 1000 bucks of his money and he needs to call in regards to those funds. Then its one certified letter since you know he showers there. After that, have dinner and relist the unit. Anything within reason is acceptable, after that, uh no.



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Bob

11-24-2010 09:16:48
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
ASSUMING you have been paid in good funds, I would send him a certified check refunding his money by certified mail.

Been there, done that.

And don't wait so long next time!



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135 Fan

11-23-2010 12:44:48
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to FarmallTom, 11-23-2010 09:01:02  
I'd guess he doesn't have the rest of the money to pay for the tractor and that's why he's avoiding you. You can't be expected to hold it forever. I think? you can legally keep his deposit but if you wanted to be nice, could return all or a portion of it. Then sell it to someone else. Try leaving a message that says he has 48 hours to contact you or he forfits his deposit. If that doesn't get a response, I wouldn't worry too much about it. If it wants his deposit back, I'm sure he'll contact you. Might want to have a quick call to a lawyer to see if he's entitled to get his deposit back after 6 months. Dave

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730d se

11-23-2010 16:55:41
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 Re: Steve Woodrum - Flying S Farms in reply to 135 Fan, 11-23-2010 12:44:48  
Even though a set term is not in writting, the law allows and observes what is "resonable". If you have the documentation of your extended attempts to contact him, the conversation with his wife confirming that you were calling the correct number, etc., I say you are clear to do whatever you wish once you have given him final notice.
Just to safe, maybe a certified letter that requires ONLY his signature, then he cannot come back on you at all.
If he signs it, he has been properly notified. If he refuses to sign it, you are free and clear.

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