What's up with this A oilpan?

NoNewParts · Sep 24, 2015

always curious about something I haven't seen before.
What's up with this A oilpan?
homebrew? or did some Farmall engine come with it?

rustyfarmall · Sep 24, 2015

I'm curious about the extra hardware that is underneath that tractor.

JRSutton · Sep 24, 2015

and is that a power steering pump??

ss55 · Sep 24, 2015

If the oil pan is modified it looks like a much better job than some of the other changes. Very interesting tractor! If you have more picture of that tractor, please post them.

Is the power steering pump for hydraulics?

used red MN · Sep 24, 2015

YT etiquette, never go with the fuzzy steering wheel cover if you park your tractor outside for
extended periods. Interesting tractor.

notjustair · Sep 24, 2015

I'm trying to think if there were any applications that
needed a motor mount in that part of the pan. I'm
thinking the pan was like that and then someone
built some kind of pusher blade and used that area
for bracing. That looks like an old Ford power
steering pump - no doubt to have hydraulics to lift
that over-engineered blade. They had done the
same thing on an A I bought but used the hoist
pump and reservoir off of a grain truck. THAT wasn't
a cumbersome mess hanging off the side.

Claven2 · Sep 24, 2015

It almost looks to me like someone added a complete frame under the tractor - do I see some sort of axle on that frame mounting to the front wheels?

old · Sep 24, 2015

Odd pan indeed. As for the power steering pump looks like a set up I did years ago on a B to lift a sickle bar mower with and use it for hyds

notjustair · Sep 24, 2015

It looks like there is something mounted with bearings to that frame under the oil pan. You can see that it goes forward through the hole in the
front wheel hub. It also looks like that bracket under the oil pan has a wishbone in it that attaches to either side of the oil pan mounting holes.
I'm betting that tube frame bolts to the area where the drawbar attaches on the wheel gear case on each side. It was built of stout stuff. An A
would never have the traction or guts to push anything that needs that kind of reinforcement.

gene bender · Sep 25, 2015

Overall look at that tractor seems lots of rigged stuff and the wiring is a start so what else has been rigged and for what.

Rex Simpkins · Sep 25, 2015

I would like to see the oil pump screen and related hardware

JRSutton · Sep 25, 2015

HA - too many other interesting oddities to look at on that tractor I guess - my eyes never made it up to the steering wheel.

Well. I think after fully seeing this picture now I can finally say "I HAVE seen everything now".

NoNewParts · Sep 26, 2015

(quoted from post at 14:13:14 09/24/15) always curious about something I haven't seen before.
What's up with this A oilpan?
homebrew? or did some Farmall engine come with it?

well......I can't resist unusual junk....I bought it....(cheap)
I'll get some pics.
first glance...just got it here.
engine is stuck(doesn't look real scary...I'll see what I can do)
radiator is full of antifreeze, no water in the oil or visible block cracks.
PS pump runs the valve that controls the front blade.
another pump/reservoir/valve is on the back hooked to the pulley shaft.
oilpan doesn't look homemade(I'll clean it up and investigate further)
engine has a dipstick by where the oil gauge should be.
LOL, it's a mess...should be fun.

Claven2 · Sep 26, 2015

(quoted from post at 14:41:30 09/26/15)

(quoted from post at 14:13:14 09/24/15) always curious about something I haven't seen before.
What's up with this A oilpan?
homebrew? or did some Farmall engine come with it?

Click to expand...

well......I can't resist unusual junk....I bought it....(cheap)
I'll get some pics.
first glance...just got it here.
engine is stuck(doesn't look real scary...I'll see what I can do)
radiator is full of antifreeze, no water in the oil or visible block cracks.
PS pump runs the valve that controls the front blade.
another pump/reservoir/valve is on the back hooked to the pulley shaft.
oilpan doesn't look homemade(I'll clean it up and investigate further)
engine has a dipstick by where the oil gauge should be.
LOL, it's a mess...should be fun.

Cool - post a bunch of pics, we're all curious what that frame is/does.

NoNewParts · Sep 26, 2015

(quoted from post at 15:41:30 09/26/15)

(quoted from post at 14:13:14 09/24/15) always curious about something I haven't seen before.
What's up with this A oilpan?
homebrew? or did some Farmall engine come with it?

Click to expand...

well......I can't resist unusual junk....I bought it....(cheap)
I'll get some pics.
first glance...just got it here.
engine is stuck(doesn't look real scary...I'll see what I can do)
radiator is full of antifreeze, no water in the oil or visible block cracks.
PS pump runs the valve that controls the front blade.
another pump/reservoir/valve is on the back hooked to the pulley shaft.
oilpan doesn't look homemade(I'll clean it up and investigate further)
engine has a dipstick by where the oil gauge should be.
LOL, it's a mess...should be fun.

Well, I got it running, wasn't stuck too bad. Runs pretty good.
no smoke (after my snakeoil mix burned off)
magneto has a nice spark.
Still figuring out PO's wiring.(done decently) It has many, many lights.
exhaust manifold is broke, but I have one around here somewhere.
oilpan is cast.
til I get pics up, the frame extends out the front for the snowplow run by the PS pump.(works well)
frame extends all the way to the drawbar, cement box (septic?lol) is mounted back there and it is full of sand..heavy.
rear pump off the belt pulley shaft has a valve and tank and 2 pipes are capped off...to run implement cylinders probably.
haven't tried that one yet.

Hobo,NC · Sep 26, 2015

If you ever need to replace the pump...

https://www.google.com/#q=gm+saginaw+power+steering+pump

Claven2 · Sep 26, 2015

Well, I got it running, wasn't stuck too bad. Runs pretty good.
no smoke (after my snakeoil mix burned off)
magneto has a nice spark.
Still figuring out PO's wiring.(done decently) It has many, many lights.
exhaust manifold is broke, but I have one around here somewhere.
oilpan is cast.
til I get pics up, the frame extends out the front for the snowplow run by the PS pump.(works well)
frame extends all the way to the drawbar, cement box (septic?lol) is mounted back there and it is full of sand..heavy.
rear pump off the belt pulley shaft has a valve and tank and 2 pipes are capped off...to run implement cylinders probably.
haven't tried that one yet.

Good job getting it to run! So it's magneto huh? But it has a battery, so it must also have a starter. An extra manifold is a great idea

I have a spare here as well - though I need to put some heat to it to change out the exhaust pipe at some point.

Cast oil pan... did the early A's have a cast pan? Almost all the A's I see have dented pans, so I'm thinking a cast pan would simply break if struck hard. It's a wonder that one is whole.

Post some more pics, if you can

What are your plans for it?

NoNewParts · Sep 26, 2015

(quoted from post at 22:04:00 09/26/15) If you ever need to replace the pump...

https://www.google.com/#q=gm+saginaw+power+steering+pump

Thanks Hobo.
I'll get some pics up soon.
Have questions about the rear hydraulic pump setup...completely separate from the front system.
Looks like a boat gas tank as the reservoir under the seat.
valve feels good, even a pressure gauge.
(I like this PO..LOL..get it done)
lots of oddities...no cast rear wheel.
Steel one piece wheels, both sides.
Engine is out of something else, serial FAA 9***3.
seat tractor number is FAA 25***1.
engine oil was clear so I took it for a drive, clutch fine, trans quiet, steers fine, oil pressure ok. Draining the trans overnight tonight...milkshake
Wiring is........complicated..lol..I'll figure it out...tough since the PO put clear silicone on every connection.....probably would work underwater!
I'll probably pull that oilpan eventually...curious...
must be tight in there with the crank/rod throws and I want to see the pickup.

ps already getting good-natured ribbing about the septic tank on the back.

NoNewParts · Sep 26, 2015

(quoted from post at 22:36:27 09/26/15)
Post some more pics, if you can What are your plans for it?

Engine runs well, and the clutch is good,(pulling the engine or splitting it would have been a [i:00a807f20b]bear[/i:00a807f20b])
so I'll fix it up, tidy it up, and pretty it up some............and leave its basic setup just like it is....
I like unusual tractors and this one is definitely weird.
Numerous lights...halogens on the nose....temp and oil pressure gauges thru the hood. steel braided lines everywhere...
feel like I'm back in the drag pits again

....no scratch that...this tractor has more toggle switches and momentary switches than my cars did......

NoNewParts · Sep 27, 2015

(quoted from post at 14:13:14 09/24/15) always curious about something I haven't seen before.
What's up with this A oilpan?
homebrew? or did some Farmall engine come with it?

some more pics
separate rear pump system

overall view..you can see the dipstick tube and winged dipstick.

oil pan

edit to add another,
decent design, plow lifts very high, nothing attached to the axle, good ground clearance. that beam looks very heavy.

rustyfarmall · Sep 27, 2015

Is it possible the previous owner may have contracted with a big city to do sidewalk snow removal?

I once watched a youtube video of a specially modified Farmall M doing sidewalk snow removal in New York City.

NoNewParts · Sep 27, 2015

Is it possible the previous owner may have contracted with a big city to do sidewalk snow removal?

I once watched a youtube video of a specially modified Farmall M doing sidewalk snow removal in New York City.[/quote]

no way to tell.
The owner I bought it from...just a guess...It was listed for sale on his trailer, maybe it never made it off his trailer...(first pic of thread).....maybe he couldn't get it unstuck...handcrank was bent very badly....so he sold it....where I came in.
Maybe he is a YT reader and will join in.
I salute whoever did all the original mods. It looks messy now, but it is well done actually.

Claven2 · Sep 27, 2015

Is it possible the previous owner may have contracted with a big city to do sidewalk snow removal?

I once watched a youtube video of a specially modified Farmall M doing sidewalk snow removal in New York City.[/quote]

no way to tell.
The owner I bought it from...just a guess...It was listed for sale on his trailer, maybe it never made it off his trailer...(first pic of thread).....maybe he couldn't get it unstuck...handcrank was bent very badly....so he sold it....where I came in.
Maybe he is a YT reader and will join in.
I salute whoever did all the original mods. It looks messy now, but it is well done actually.[/quote]

I just noticed. no fenders. Has some early features too like the taller oil filter. Probably started as a petty early A.

What did it need to get unstuck? Did you pull the valve cover to check for stuck valves?

NoNewParts · Sep 27, 2015

(quoted from post at 11:38:17 09/27/15)

What did it need to get unstuck? Did you pull the valve cover to check for stuck valves?

just the usual, looked in the cylinders, not hopelessly rusted, so blew them out to get water, debris out. soaked them down with a witches brew of stuff. While they were soaking, pulled the valve cover and lubed stuff and worked the valves by hand until smooth (most tractor springs are weak enough to use your fingers)
since things were only mildly rusted, I didn't bother to lube the big governor bushing (had one stuck there once)
pulled the starter so I could see the flywheel, marked it with chalk. Kept rocking in high gear til I saw the slightest movement of the chalk. stop....switched to straight light motor oil in the cylinders. patience then, slow movements and lots of oil til it turned freely. finger in each plug hole..hand crank..pffft with authority out each hole...hand cranking showed drips of oil appearing in the oil pressure line fitting...
just details then...it'll run...it did

Claven2 · Sep 27, 2015

(quoted from post at 12:54:52 09/27/15)

(quoted from post at 11:38:17 09/27/15)

What did it need to get unstuck? Did you pull the valve cover to check for stuck valves?

Click to expand...

just the usual, looked in the cylinders, not hopelessly rusted, so blew them out to get water, debris out. soaked them down with a witches brew of stuff. While they were soaking, pulled the valve cover and lubed stuff and worked the valves by hand until smooth (most tractor springs are weak enough to use your fingers)
since things were only mildly rusted, I didn't bother to lube the big governor bushing (had one stuck there once)
pulled the starter so I could see the flywheel, marked it with chalk. Kept rocking in high gear til I saw the slightest movement of the chalk. stop....switched to straight light motor oil in the cylinders. patience then, slow movements and lots of oil til it turned freely. finger in each plug hole..hand crank..pffft with authority out each hole...hand cranking showed drips of oil appearing in the oil pressure line fitting...
just details then...it'll run...it did

I wonder how long it had sat to get it stuck in the first place. If the motor was tight, normally it would stay un-stuck for quite a spell.

I notice the big beam is fattened at the back to the factory drawbar, how is it supported up front? To the front axle? I think I saw plates on the side bolted to the implement mount points on the sides of the transmission housing.

NoNewParts · Sep 27, 2015

framing is pretty much part of the drawbar and finals at the rear, mid mount, and mounted at the front to the implement bar. nothing touching the axle.
pretty well balanced, steers very easily.

changed the engine oil, another drain is on the bottom of the pan.
could feel the pickup screen, and it moves like a normal Farmall.
Can't wait to see the pickup tubing arrangement.
Swapped out the manifold, no issues except one stud broke flush...cost an hour to drill it out and retap....my fault, I missed that that one nut was steel, rest were brass.
even had a very good muffler laying in the steel tray along with the tire chains. nice and quiet now.
Pounded the handcrank straight...it was much worse than in the pic. PO must have put the muscle to it after taking the pics.

NoNewParts · Oct 4, 2015

(quoted from post at 09:38:20 09/27/15)
Is it possible the previous owner may have contracted with a big city to do sidewalk snow removal?

I once watched a youtube video of a specially modified Farmall M doing sidewalk snow removal in New York City.

Don't know if this post will work, thread is messed up.
Rusty, I'm leaning that way.
Working on this thing, there are just too many details that
the normal homebrewer just doesn't do.
Everything, everywhere sealed against the wet, chaff points on
steel hoses and wires protected with wraps.
The wiring looks messy in the pics, but it was well done originally
and has a harness look to it.
Took the sandbox off for room to work...attached with fine thread bolts (not normal homebrew)
There is also evidence that it had engine skirting...holes drilled and old sealant.
and that sideways pointing light is part of the harness..
...looking right down where the sidewalk edge would be...

If it is homebrew, and the original guy ever sees this thread...
tip of the hat....good job

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