Hy Tran question

JRSutton · Sep 4, 2015

for a new to me 560 - I need hydraulic fluid.

I did the normal "can I use something cheaper" searching, and determined that I better stick with hytran.

Problem is I'd have to drive f-a-r to get some for the weekend.

I hear that New Holland Ambra Mastertran is Hytran-ultra with a New Holland label...

Normally I wouldn't even take the chance, but there IS a new holland dealer that's only far away (as opposed to f-a-r).

The other plus here is that I share equipment with a guy that runs a new holland using the ambra mastertran stuff - and if it really IS the same product, I then
don't have to worry about contaminating each other's tractors by sharing hydraulic equipment.

Thoughts?

Aside from the new holland question - I'm also not clear on what the ultra is in hytran "ultra". I'm assuming it's ok to run that over "normal" hytran?

Super A · Sep 4, 2015

I can't say if it's the same as the NH oil, but "Ultra" is just updated Hy-Tran. It will interchange with plain Hy-Tran. I would be willing to travel in order to get Hy-Tran.

Al

Janicholson · Sep 4, 2015

The use of qualifying Hydraulic fluid of any brand is OK. JD hyguard, and most manufacturers branded fluid is compliant. (not a guarantee, but a fair statement.) Tractor fluid from a big box store is OK if it meets the qualifications. Many do not, reading the label is necessary. Jim

rustred · Sep 4, 2015

there is different colors of tractors, but i am sure the same metal is used in the gearing of diff. tractors. so i am sure the different manufacturer's must meet the qualifications. so i am sure the name on a pail will not hurt the tractor. so if the spec's on the other pail match your tractor spec's it cant hurt a thing. thats just my reasoning.

CenTex Farmall · Sep 4, 2015

From my own reading and research on the topic of oil I have found that the labeling on the container is crucial and gets looked at by the legal dept. before it gets printed up. Look for the work "premium" on the back in the writing. A lot of the cheap on sale stuff will say "suitable replacement" which is not as good. Basically the "premium" labeled one will have a stronger additive package.

Case/IH does not own a refinery or blending facility that I'm aware of. They contract someone like Warren to manufacture stuff to meet their specs and put in a Case bucket.

If inclined could call Warren and have them spec a superior oil and call it "Bubba's Tractor Glop" and sell it at the grocery store.

It's frustrating trying to separate hype from fact and what is needed for a good lube vs paying for a name.

Bill in IL · Sep 4, 2015

It's a 560 so the transmission is pretty simple inside. I would not get all wrapped up in hytran for it. If it was a hydro or a power shift then I would worry. The cross contamination could be an issue so ambra sounds reasonable. The big issue with hytran in a 560 is keeping it moisture free so what ever you put in keep it clean and dry.

I run the cheap stuff in my 560 but it never really sees hard work. I run the dealer oil in the modern tractors. Comparing the two with my untrained eye I feel there is a difference, the cheap stuff to me seems thinner or a lighter weight oil even though its suppose to meet the same spec.

JRSutton · Sep 4, 2015

yeah - it's not really even a matter of saving money to me - I like to save where I can as much as the next guy - but I figure I won't bge changing the fluid all that often -so I don't mind spending a little more to be sure it's right.

My biggest issue now is availability. (the cross contamination issue is important too).

I need the tractor for the weekend - closest case/ih dealer (that isn't very close) is all out - I'd have to drive out of state on a holiday weekend - traffic would be INSANE. I wouldn't get home till monday!

I was hoping somebody here could confirm what I heard that it is in fact the same fluid (the new holland vs. hytran).

If not - I may just top it off with some generic stuff to get my work done - then replace it all at a later date with hytran (the most likely scenario)

DR. EVIL · Sep 4, 2015

There was "Hy-Tran PLUS" between Hy-Tran and Hy-Tran Ultra. I got a gallon Hy-Tran PLUS jug out in the shop still.

Hy-Tran is backwards compatible, if straight Hy-Tran or Hy-Tran Plus was specified, Ultra will work just fine. Hy-Tran is the only hydraulic/transmission lube oil that absorbs water, up to 1% by volume. All others the water separates. That can cause problems with power brakes or power shift transmissions with wet clutches. The bonding agents holding the linings on the steel plates may or may not like the moisture in Hy-Tran.

And since it was first developed back in the late 1950's, VISCOSITY OIL has always made Hy-Tran. Ken Updike has written some great articles on Hy-Tran for RPM.

Andy Martin · Sep 4, 2015

Ambra is the way to go for your tractor.

d282 · Sep 4, 2015

Go to:

http://www.viscosityoil.com/past.htm#

and click on the second 1962.

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