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IH 450 less desireable than Super M?

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IaLeo

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I have a 57 IH450 with fast hitch. Haven't used it for 5 years and now the starter won't do anything but click with a fresh battery.Sigh BUT....this board seems to have scads of folks talking about/fixing M's, seldom anything about 450s.
Did IH screw up and "cheapened" the 450, making it less desireable than M's? Did IH ever put sheet steel disc wheels on these 450s instead of the usual cast ring-type wheels? This is a gasser NF tractor. Ia Leo
 
Why you don't see as much talk about the IH 450 is that it was built for only 3 years and Ms were made for about 15 years. Lot more Ms out there than 450s.
 
Shouldn't be much difference in the tractors worth. 450 worth more than a SM that came without engine driven hydraulics. Opinions differ, some think the 450 is worth more and some think the SM is.
Back in the day some farmers that had M and SM tractors thought the when the 400 and 450 models came out with the tin work that came loose after time, along with being harder to work on or not as simple on the hydraulics. Along with using more fuel claims was a step down except for IPTO. Lot still had pull implements and didn't care about a 2 point hitch. Lost count of people that traded that said wished they had the SM or SMTA back. Some did go back to get there trade in.
 
The super mta always had a better reputation around here than a 400 for instance. Only difference really was the hoods and hydraulic system, some electrical. Every thing else was same part number, or replacement part number.
 
Check battery conections.All the way from battery to frame or starter. New(proper sized) cables would be even better.A lot of corrosion/rust can form in 5 years.
 
IaLeo. I own a 300 and you don't see much on here about them either, I just thought it was probably because they didn't make near as many as they did the H.
 
As far as I'm concerned the 300/350 and the 400/450 where much better tractors than the Hs & Ms. More power, usually with live PTO and live hydraulics. Before I'd consider an H or M I'd start looking at other brands.
 
I'd rather have a 400/450 over a SM/SMTA. Plus, the 400/450 had 3 remotes, which sure made it easier for a hyd cultivator. I think the IPTO has already been brought up.
 
Mine still has to earn its keep around here.
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I just bought a 450 late last fall. I am overhauling it now. I can't wait to hear it run. After playing around with M's and H's I was wanting something different and I always liked the color scheme on a 450. Mine was made in 1957 and I have a fast hitch also. Back when these tractors were newer my grandpa had a 400 that wouldn't start well. When the 560 came out he bought one and traded in the 400. I wonder if a lot of 300/350, 400/450 tractors got overlooked when the newer 460/560's came out. IH basically kept the same tractor for several years and because of companies like M&W you could just keep adding updates to the old M and keep running it. From what I have read a lot of people claim that the 450 was a really good tractor. The picture is of mine when I pulled it out of the spot it had set in for at least 15 years.
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Likely the problem is the copper disk in the solenoid that actually makes the contact or one or both of the actual contacts. They can be turned 180 and the disk cleaned up.

The 450 is the same layout as an M but much improved in terms of function: built in spool valves with live hydraulics, ta and IPTO and often factory power steering. An M is simpler though and thus has less opportunity for things to break.

Also as others have said, there were a whole lot more M's made.
 
No body has mentioned the old "starter drive locked in the flywheel" problem. Take it out of gear then hold some extra tension on the fan belt with one hand while trying to turn the blade with the other. Switch off of course maybe even pull the coil wire. This is to see if the engine is locked due to the fore mentioned. If so loosen the starter mount bolts and give it a good jiggle. Then see if the engine will turn if so retighten the starter and your back in business.
 
This is just my opinion. There were a lot more M's an Super M's made than 400's and 450's. 560's are based on the 450 chassis and they were also build for more years than the 400's and 450's. The Super MTA's are popular with collectors and demand high prices. The live power and other features on 400's, 450's and 560's keeps them still useful, while M's and Super M's are less so. Many guys buy an M cheap and them build up the engine to make 400 or 450 power spending close to the same price as a good 400 or 450, if one was available.
 
Lot of pullers want sheet steel wheels... might have been a puller. I have not used an M or SM much in the field, mostly pulling hay racks and wagons, but did use a 450 a lot one summer. Much prefer the 450. Only problem I noticed after running JDs for several years was it was a gas hog.
 
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