International 444D question

Jim 777

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On my 444D international was running fine then next time we tried to start it it would not turn over put a new starter on it with two sets of jumper cables and it moves quarter inch on the crank and when you stop it goes back to where it was. Is it possible this could be something simple? I'm not that familiar with diesel motors, it is a 154. Thanks for any ideas.
Have a great day.
 
Hi Jim, first don't force the engine or you
could bend a rod or even worse. Most likely
possibility is a leaking head gasket allowing
coolant to fill an engine cylinder causing
hydro locking. Easy way to test for hydro
locking on a BD-154 is to remove the glow plugs
and see if any coolant runs out and then
attempted to turn engine with starter while
holding clutch pedal all the way to foot rest.

JimB
 
Hi Jim,
Has it been cold enough for water to freeze to
ice in your area? Another thought is water has
frozen someplace in the engine or hydraulic
pump(s) that is preventing engine from turning.
Another test would to put transmission in 4th
Hi and rock the rear wheels backwards and see
if the engine will turn backwards. If engine is
hydro locked, turning it backwards may blow
water out intake or exhaust valves.

Good luck
JimB
 
Well today it was about 45 degrees but we had colder weather.I will check the antifreeze temperature.This is a diesel tractor.
Thanks Jim
 
(quoted from post at 20:16:05 01/21/15) Hi Jim,
Has it been cold enough for water to freeze to
ice in your area? Another thought is water has
frozen someplace in the engine or hydraulic
pump(s) that is preventing engine from turning.
Another test would to put transmission in 4th
Hi and rock the rear wheels backwards and see
if the engine will turn backwards. If engine is
hydro locked, turning it backwards may blow
water out intake or exhaust valves.

Good luck
JimB

got the glow plugs out no water was in the cylinders that I could tell.also tractor had been running 5 minutes prior to restarting it when itbecame locked up.any other thoughts.
Thanks
 
I was told even with the clutch pushed all the way to the floor it could still be the transmission locking up the motor is that correct?
 
I was told even with the clutch pushed all the way to the floor it could still be the transmission locking up the motor is that correct?
 
Hi Jim,
Did you check the alternator or water pump for
being seized? Try loosening fan belt.

On the 444 you have a dual stage clutch, half
way down, releases the transmission clutch, all
the way down releases the pto clutch. If the
tractor had been running 5 minutes before very
unlikely transmission clutch is stuck to
flywheel.
If the tractor doesn't have a front end loader
or 3pt equipment resting on the ground, then
put the gear shift in neutral and try rolling
tractor fwd/rev by pushing on rear tire. If
there is a front end loader or 3pt implement on
the ground then block one rear wheel and jack
the other rear wheel off the ground and try
rotating rear wheel with transmission in
neutral, then put transmission in 4th HI and
hold clutch down an try rotating rear wheel.
IF rear wheel will turn in both the above cases
then there is no transmission or drive shaft
problem. Next try with clutch engaged rocking
rear wheel in reverse and see if engine will
turn over in rev.

Could be various problems in engine causing
problem:
1) Finger fell off pressure plate or other
metal is wedged between bell housing - open
inspection plate in bottom of bell housing and
inspect pressure plate and release bearing.
2) Valve stem broke and valve dropped into
cylinder and is now preventing piston from
going to TDC - turning engine in rev should
allow some movement - also remove the tappet
cover and inspect all valves, tappets and
springs.
3) Crank or rod bearing stuck to the crank.
4) Something jamming timing gears.
5) Something jamming hydraulic pump(s)
6) Something jamming oil pump
7) Something jamming injection pump

JimB
 
(reply to post at 15:48:04 01/22/15)
I also found under the oil cap what looks like stainless steel steel wool and its some of that down inside the oil valve cover. Is that supposed to be in the oil cap?
Also one of the glow plugs, half the heater loop was missing.
 
(reply to post at 17:05:37 01/22/15)
Thanks for the information Jim.
When I had the starter motor out I tried to pry the flywheel forward and reverse and it would not go either direction.
 

Is it possible to get the oil pan off that motor with out pulling the engine and can the engine be rebuilt without pulling it out of the tractor?
 
Hi Jim, yes the oil pan can be taken off with
out pulling the engine. The ones with the
straight axle without the wishbone brace are
easy.

That missing piece of glow plug element could
have into a cylinder and jammed a piston.

There are some youtute videos on a BD-154:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0MdH9R7VSk

JimB
 
(quoted from post at 19:20:19 01/22/15) Hi Jim, yes the oil pan can be taken off with
out pulling the engine. The ones with the
straight axle without the wishbone brace are
easy.

That missing piece of glow plug element could
have into a cylinder and jammed a piston.

There are some youtute videos on a BD-154:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0MdH9R7VSk

JimB
Thanks I'll take a look at it.
 

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