Grumpydaniel
Member
Hey, guys, I'm thinking of adding an engine heating system to my poor ol' H. It plows out my lane during the winter, and I think a block heater of some kind might be worth the money. Whatcha recommend? Thanks!
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Wemedeeres
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I'd put a tank heater on it, simple to install and doesn't need to be on/plugged in for long to warm it up.
My M has a tank heater, I'll try get some pics tomorrow and post here.
My M has a tank heater, I'll try get some pics tomorrow and post here.
notjustair
Well-known Member
Someone that owned my M put a freeze plug style heater in the water jacket cover behind the carb. It is through that thin metal and has a nut on the inside and outside that seals it up. I haven't seen a heater like it but if you were careful with your hole then a freeze (welch) plug heater would work well. Mine is very well done and works quickly and well.
caterpillar guy
Well-known Member
After all these years if you are using the right oils and keep the points,plugs and wires up it will start when most other things will not anyway. If you are wanting heat, to help with oil circulation.
Then just use a salamander on the side of the block about 2 minutes before you start it.
Then just use a salamander on the side of the block about 2 minutes before you start it.
Grumpydaniel
Member
Thanks, guys. Looking forward to those pics to see what you're talking about. Caterpillar guy is probably right, but I think it would benefit the ol' H if I installed a heater.
Grumpydaniel
Member
leon: that's why God created insulated coveralls! And Jameson, of course. But that's only for when I'm done.
I'm with caterpillar guy on this one. Heat isn't necessary on a gasoline tractor if you're running 10 weight oil. That said, it doesn't hurt anything except your electric bill.
Here's what a tank heater looks like, hopefully:
This is one from Tractor Supply. They sell two models, a 1000W and a 1500W.
You install a Tee on the temperature sensor port in the head, and then plumb this heater between the Tee and the block drain on the side of the block.
If you're going to do it, mount the heater somewhere tasteful please. Don't let it dangle or zip tie it to the closest protrusion.
Here's what a tank heater looks like, hopefully:
This is one from Tractor Supply. They sell two models, a 1000W and a 1500W.
You install a Tee on the temperature sensor port in the head, and then plumb this heater between the Tee and the block drain on the side of the block.
If you're going to do it, mount the heater somewhere tasteful please. Don't let it dangle or zip tie it to the closest protrusion.
I'm with caterpillar guy on this one. Heat isn't necessary on a gasoline tractor if you're running 10 weight oil. That said, it doesn't hurt anything except your electric bill.
Here's what a tank heater looks like, hopefully:
They are available at most any place that sells tractor parts.
You install a Tee on the temperature sensor port in the head, and then plumb this heater between the Tee and the block drain on the side of the block.
If you're going to do it, mount the heater somewhere tasteful please. Don't let it dangle or zip tie it to the closest protrusion.
Here's what a tank heater looks like, hopefully:
They are available at most any place that sells tractor parts.
You install a Tee on the temperature sensor port in the head, and then plumb this heater between the Tee and the block drain on the side of the block.
If you're going to do it, mount the heater somewhere tasteful please. Don't let it dangle or zip tie it to the closest protrusion.
Grumpydaniel
Member
Yeah, it's converted to 12 volts (best thing I've
done for it!)
done for it!)
rustyfarmall
Well-known Member
Pay a visit to your local auto parts store. NAPA, CarQuest, etc. They should have several tank type heaters to choose from, but your H will not require anything very big. It will install on the left side of the engine. Remove the engine block drain plug, install a fitting, clamp a hose to it, and the lower port on the heater goes to that hose. The upper port on the heater goes to where the temperature gauge is attached, on the right rear of the cylinder head. Remove the sensor unit, install a "TEE" fitting, and then the hose from the heater can be attached, as well as the temperature sending unit re-installed.
There are other ways to do it, but this is the method most often used around here.
A battery maintainer on that old H will also help ensure she starts when needed.
I just put another Katz radiator heater in a tractor I just brought. Over the years I have put about 6-7 of them in the lower radiator hose. I have had good luck with them and have not had a problem. Just plug it in an hour or so before use and your good to go.
Mine were all put in Diesels but will work on you H too. I have a C but never figured I needed one for that. Although I don't use it much in the winter.
TSC carries the heater for 25-30 bucks. Autozone has them too and are a little cheaper than TSC.
Mine were all put in Diesels but will work on you H too. I have a C but never figured I needed one for that. Although I don't use it much in the winter.
TSC carries the heater for 25-30 bucks. Autozone has them too and are a little cheaper than TSC.
Grumpydaniel
Member
A couple of you fellas have suggested this and I
like the idea. I do keep a battery maintainer on it,
too. Thanks much everybody! My H thanks you, too!
like the idea. I do keep a battery maintainer on it,
too. Thanks much everybody! My H thanks you, too!
Grumpydaniel
Member
DoubleR, those were the first things I thought of. I remember my Dad having one on his 3020 (sorry to mention a John Deere) and it worked great. But on the H, there just isn't space in the hose for one. At least I don't think so. Thanks!
Wemedeeres
Member
I ran out to the shed and snapped these, I'm not sure if it will be the same on an H as an M but this is what I have. I don't know much more about how it was installed, grandpa plumbed it years ago.
Grumpydaniel
Member
Well, that's interesting. Easy to do, well
protected, and ensures a nice, tight installation,
bolted as it is to the governor. I like it.
protected, and ensures a nice, tight installation,
bolted as it is to the governor. I like it.
Wemedeeres
Member
I'm not sure on the brand of heater. It may be an older zerostart or a Katz. Zerostart makes a little different style, more compact, I bought one for a standby generator at work last week 1500 watt and paid $75 for it.
Grumpydaniel
Member
Yeah, that's the next step!
I've had a 750 or 850 watt tank heater on my Super H
for 45 years. The faster cranking and quicker
starting has saved wear and tear on the starter and
batteries worth at least as much as what the
electricity has cost, probably more like double.
If you install the temp gauge sender on a tee, you
may as well not even install the gauge back on the
engine, just hook the block heater up right where
the temp sender was. The sender has to be in the
flow of warm/hot water. Being stuck in a dead end of
a tee it will not work.
Cat guy may have good luck putting his kerosene
heater right against his cat for two minutes, but I
wouldn't do that to an IH gas engine. I'd set it
several feet away and even a 100,000 BTU heater
would have to run at least a half hour burning
$7/gal kerosene to make much difference. Makes the
few cents of electricity look cheap doesn't it!
for 45 years. The faster cranking and quicker
starting has saved wear and tear on the starter and
batteries worth at least as much as what the
electricity has cost, probably more like double.
If you install the temp gauge sender on a tee, you
may as well not even install the gauge back on the
engine, just hook the block heater up right where
the temp sender was. The sender has to be in the
flow of warm/hot water. Being stuck in a dead end of
a tee it will not work.
Cat guy may have good luck putting his kerosene
heater right against his cat for two minutes, but I
wouldn't do that to an IH gas engine. I'd set it
several feet away and even a 100,000 BTU heater
would have to run at least a half hour burning
$7/gal kerosene to make much difference. Makes the
few cents of electricity look cheap doesn't it!
I've had a 750 or 850 watt tank heater on my Super H
for 45 years. The faster cranking and quicker
starting has saved wear and tear on the starter and
batteries worth at least as much as what the
electricity has cost, probably more like double.
If you install the temp gauge sender on a tee, you
may as well not even install the gauge back on the
engine, just hook the block heater up right where
the temp sender was. The sender has to be in the
flow of warm/hot water. Being stuck in a dead end of
a tee it will not work.
Cat guy may have good luck putting his kerosene
heater right against his cat for two minutes, but I
wouldn't do that to an IH gas engine. I'd set it
several feet away and even a 100,000 BTU heater
would have to run at least a half hour burning
$7/gal kerosene to make much difference. Makes the
few cents of electricity look cheap doesn't it!
for 45 years. The faster cranking and quicker
starting has saved wear and tear on the starter and
batteries worth at least as much as what the
electricity has cost, probably more like double.
If you install the temp gauge sender on a tee, you
may as well not even install the gauge back on the
engine, just hook the block heater up right where
the temp sender was. The sender has to be in the
flow of warm/hot water. Being stuck in a dead end of
a tee it will not work.
Cat guy may have good luck putting his kerosene
heater right against his cat for two minutes, but I
wouldn't do that to an IH gas engine. I'd set it
several feet away and even a 100,000 BTU heater
would have to run at least a half hour burning
$7/gal kerosene to make much difference. Makes the
few cents of electricity look cheap doesn't it!
Grumpydaniel
Member
I'd settle for a Heat Houser. But I can't afford one right now. That's why the Jameson's works so well!
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