IH 464 suitability- Land Pride RTR 2072 reverse tiller

Hello IH users and guru's,
I am looking at an IH 464 gas w/ IH front loader (sn says 1974 vintage per tractordata.com).

The tiller i wouldlike to use is 6 feet wide, and would be used for controlling Bermuda grass in sandy loam in my small pecan orchard along with other means of non-herbicide grass control.

Land Pride people have told me that I need to be able to slow the tractor down to between 1.25 and 1.5 MPH.

Tractor data lists this tractor in it's lowest gear as 2.1 mph @ rated RPM of 2400. I suppose I could run at less than this throttled RPM, but then would I have enough power to drive the reverse tiller? Tiller is rated at 23-50 HP so at 41 drawbar and ~46 PTO the IH 464 is sitting at mid-range on the tiller rated power.

Can any of you users and experts tell me if this tractor is suitable for use with the Land Pride reverse tiller Model RTR 2072 from experience, observations or other knowledge? or will it just drag the tiller over the ground (at the speeds I can obtain from the lowest gear) unless it is really moist. Sometimes the ground is moist and sometimes it's NOT.

Also, Any thoughts on what a fair price for the loader tractor would be. It appears to be in very good condition, with steering tight and loader mechanisms tight-- based on pics and speaking with the owner. Many miles away so I haven't actually seen the tractor but could send my brother too look at if worthwhile.
He is wanting $6500. The hours on the tractor are 1965 (hour meter is working) per owner.


Any comments and suggestions are gratefully appreciated for what I have in mind.

Kind Regards,
d page

In low range, #1 you should be ok. I used to own a 454 diesel and now run 684 diesel and both were fine with our 6' Land Pride, reverse tiller. At times, especially if around heavy roots in an orchard, a creeper gear might be nice, but you could get the job done. Since you are looking to buy versus getting by with what you already own, I would likely hold out for a diesel, perhaps that's just my preference. There are usually lots of older 454, 464, 574, 684s, etc around and I would hold out for a clean diesel model. I could also be happy with a 240, 245, 265 Massey (8 speed and not multi power) but prefer the full independent pto of the IH.

Hi, the 454/464/574/674 belong to the 74 series
IH tractors and they can have different speed
transmissions and to check the speed of
transmission you have to check the suffix
letter of serial number. See caseih.coms parts
at:
http://partstore.caseih.com/us/parts-
search.html#epc::mr63400ar154346

The other thing that affects the ground speed
is the size of the rear tires. I believe
standard tires for 454/464 was 13.6 x 28. The
other option is to find one with a T/A that
will give 16 speeds FWD and 8 speeds REV. T/As
were not too common on 454/464 but were common
on 574/674. The 74 series was replaced by 84
series in 1977, then 85 series, then 95 series,
then CaseIH 32 series in 1994. All these series
were basically the same engines and
transmissions with different sheet metal and
some improvements.

JimB

Thanks outdoors and others for your comments!

Agree on the diesel with respect to power, but I react poorly to diesel fumes and vapors to I need to stick to gas or propane.

Have a few questions on the IH 464 when used with the 6ft. reverse till Land Pride:
1. Land Pride recommends running the PTO @ 540 for greatest tiller efficiency and smoothness of operation, which I believe is the rated RPM when the engine is throttled to 2400rpm. If I throttle back the engine RPM to half rated ( 1200 ) I would end up with half the tractor speed but I think I would also be turning the PTO at only half the recommended RPM (270) would I not? This would slow the tractor down but decrease the efficiency of the tiller, if I understand what Land Pride is saying. So if I have this right-- there is no way on this tractor to slow the engine speed without directly effecting the PTO rpm?
I have attached some pics of the gear shift levers and pto levers fyi.

2. The tractor appears to have two locations for attaching anti-sway bars (see attached pic). One right next to the 3 point lift arm, and one further outboard from that (circled in pic). the current owner is using the closest to the 3 point pivot to attach his anti-sway bar to, it would seem that using the one circled (further outboard would work better to prevent side to side motion since it is further away from the 3 point lift arm. Any comments on this?

3.Can you recommend any good sources for IH parts? rear wheels, draw bar is missing from tractor, and the plastic piece that surrounds the 4 gages is broken and needs replacing.

thanks for any further information you might offer!

d page

Sometimes the 540 RPM is at a little less than the "rated" rpm of the engine. I have operated several tractors that show that on the tach... they might run 2400 rpm, but 540 pto might be at 2150 or something. Might check that out and be able to run it at slightly less than full throttle. I'd stay in the ground speed range recommended by the tiller manufacturer.
Ideal for a tiller is a hydro transmission, but failing that, I'd be looking for a tractor with a lower speed low gear. Now I'm saying that from garden tractor experience after owning a Cadet with a low creeper gear, and a JD with a hydro... so much better control with the hydrostat.

You are precisely correct in that slowing the engine down will also slow the PTO down. The tiller won't do a good job unless operated at the recommended ground speed and recommended PTO RPM. It may not work at all.

IMHO a 464 is going to be too fast for tilling. There aren't many gear driven tractors that are.