Anyone ever bolt up a wide front end on an M or H? I am having some trouble with the bolts. I picked up 4 3/4" thread bolts. The holes are there already and are threaded. Can't seem to get the bolts to go in more than about a 1/2 inch though. They get really tight. I am wondering if the bolts are supposed to be a special bolt or thread of some sort. Any suggestions are appreciated. The holes do go all of the way through.
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Harry Klever
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Not sure whats going on, in your situation,but try running a tap thru the holes to clean out the 50 yr old paint etc. And yes i have switched front ends,I put a 1206 wide front on SMTA bolted right up, but it did take about 4 guys to hold it in place.
Janicholson
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The threads need to be chased with either a thread chaser (modest in cost) or a real thread tap. Jim
You can feel how deep the holes go with a piece of wire or even your little finger, and see if they're packed with gunk (probably).
If this is the type of front end with a wishbone you put the jack under the wishbone not the center tube, so you have some leverage. Makes it much less awkward.
If it's one of those front ends with the tierods out front, reconsider installing it. It is not correct for a Super MTA and is not a very good front end. The term "takes a football field to turn around" is what I hear every time I see one.
If this is the type of front end with a wishbone you put the jack under the wishbone not the center tube, so you have some leverage. Makes it much less awkward.
If it's one of those front ends with the tierods out front, reconsider installing it. It is not correct for a Super MTA and is not a very good front end. The term "takes a football field to turn around" is what I hear every time I see one.
It was made in Kennsington, Kansas and says Ed Norden on the tag. I have had it for many years, but never got around to putting it on because the loader I had for years was for a narrow front. Is this the kind that takes a football field to turn around in? It looks like it will crank fairly tight based on the way the hubs turn.
Harry Klever
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Smith1000, do u have access to a skid steer loader, with a set of pallet forks, That would be the safest way to get that bolted up . I had a neighbor[father @ son] who happen to stop in to see what we were doing, or else I might still be there trying to bolt it up[LOL].
I don't have access to a skid steer. What I will do is, before I take the narrow front off, is position the wide front on the ground to see if I can jack it up to meet the bolt holes. I'll do a test run first. If I can't get it done, I won't pull the old front end off until I have a way to get the wide front on.
Nordens are okay. The one I was talking about was the factory IH wide front from the early Hs & Ms. It has the tie rods out front, and is not a very good turner.
I would much rather have a Norden or a Speeco than one of those early factory IH wide fronts.
It also helps to have the wheels and tires on the wide front so it is much closer to "ride height" when you jack it up. Then you don't have to lift the whole thing clean off the ground.
I would much rather have a Norden or a Speeco than one of those early factory IH wide fronts.
It also helps to have the wheels and tires on the wide front so it is much closer to "ride height" when you jack it up. Then you don't have to lift the whole thing clean off the ground.
rustyfarmall
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Nothing wrong with a Norden, until you need parts. They are obsolete, but with a little finagling, Schwartz or Speeco parts can be made to work, and both of the latter are still being made.
Still not on yet. Had to drill out rusted frozen axle bolts. I broke them off first and drilled out the rest. I then removed the tie rods so that the axle tubes could be slid out (was the plan). They would not slide at all though. Used 2 chains and a tree, pulling away. The axles are frozen and still would not budge. Tried to install it with the axles in place, but it is too heavy and awkward. It rolled off the floor jack. Had a hard time getting the old narrow front end off. It was frozen. Drove it around with loosened bolts and it broke free finally. Ended up putting the narrow front back on for now. I'll have to figure out a better way to lift the wide front into place. May use the 3 point on a different tractor if I can get it stabilized to where it will match up underneath. Very frustrating.
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