Hay rake ID

Charlie M

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Trying to find out what model hay rack I have as I am hoping to find tines for it. Its an IH, 3 bar rake on steel wheels. I could post a picture if needed but I am thinking all the IH rakes around that period used the same tines.
 
(quoted from post at 10:25:21 07/27/14) Trying to find out what model hay rack I have as I am hoping to find tines for it. Its an IH, 3 bar rake on steel wheels. I could post a picture if needed but I am thinking all the IH rakes around that period used the same tines.

Look like this guy?

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If it is and I'm going to bet it is there's not real model. It's a IH Rake/Tedder. I have the book for mine, no numbers, just the name.

K
 
I checked out Shoup and wasn't sure based on the pictures. Guess I will get some measurements and give them a call. There is another person that sells NI parts for manure spreaders that sells rake tines for old rakes - I'm going to check that out too.
 
That's it minus the rubber tires and the paint. Do you think they made that model long enough to end up with rubber or someone converted it. Rubber tires sure make those old rakes run a lot quieter.
 
Whoops, forgot to address the tines. I'm 99% sure they're still available. Last time I was at the local CIH deal there was a bin of them that looks just like the ones on this rake.

I haven't replaced any, not by my exceptional skills but due to a lack of use.

Re: Wheels. Look for another rake. I'm pretty sure the 4 bar rake used the same wheels. M.E. Miller sells new tires and tubes, kind of pricy but at least their out there. I got a new, never used bar tire to match the on that's on my rake a few years ago for $20.00. Sometimes even I get lucky.

K
 
There were 2 styles of tines. One type had the coil of the tines over the bar. The other had the coil next to the bar. I think the over the bar type was an earlier style. This type was a major pain to replace a tine as it had to slide over from the end. Either style can be used on any of the 3 or 4 bar rakes. However, they can not be mixed on the machine at the same time.

Rubber tires were an option.
 
Charlie, I have an IH Hay Machines Part Catalog HM-1A with a 1961 print date and believe your rake was produced prior to 1961. I looked at the various side delivery 3 bar rakes in the catalog and there are 3 models noted. They just have names and no model numbers were assigned. The one pictured by Kopeck I believe is called the Side Rake and Tedder model built from 1916 to 1958 with the optional rubber tires along with an optional 2nd caster wheel. The others of that early era are called a Keystone 3-Bar Steel Frame Side Delivery Rake built 1910 through 1921 and the 3 Bar Cylinder Side Delivery Hay Rake w/enclosed gears built 1938 to 1949. The four bar model of the latter rake model was produced through 1960 so you can see the change from the 3 bar models to the 4 and latter to the 5 bar models. The response by Jim Becker on the type of rake teeth is good info and should identify what type of teeth you have on your rake. A photo would be very helpful in identifying your rake whereas we should be able to provide a part no. for the correct teeth on your rake. If you could also provide the number of teeth on each bar that would be a big help as well as the various models I noted above have various quantities of teeth on the three bars. If you can provide a little more information I believe I can identify your rake model from the pictures in my parts catalog. HTH, Hal.
 
Didn't see your response earlier that indicated your rake is like the one pictured by Kopeck except for the rubber tires and your paint is long gone. The correct tooth in my parts catalog for the Side Rake and Tedder model is R 1 007 RF and if your rake was produced after 1919 (most likely) you need a total of 45 unless it is a bean model in which case you need 48 total. I looked at Messicks on-line catalog and that no. isn't in their system as it has probably been superseded to something new. You probably need to take an existing tooth from your rake to a CaseIH dealership and try to match them up with what is available at this time for your rake. HTH, Hal.
 
Charlie, I have a 3 bar rake if you need any parts - I used it as a parts rake for the 4 bar rake our 4H club restored. It's been so picked over, it may have to go to the scrap yard, which I hate to do - so let me know if there's anything you need - maybe I've got it.

I'm saving all the teeth because I need them as spares for the 4bar.

I do have the tire wheels if you're interested (but the tires are gone - and the tires ain't cheap).

Here's a picture of the one we restored. Believe it or not, these are the original colors.


another thing to keep in mind is your gear ratio. Because these things could be pulled by horses or a tractor, they had optional gear ratios to spin it faster or slower. I know this is true on the 4 bar, and I believe it to be true for the 3 bar as well.

I forget which ratio goes with which application - common sense would say the slower of the two is for a tractor which could pull it faster - but I actually think it's the opposite - that a tractor has more power so it CAN spin it faster... but don't quote me on that - it is explained in the user manual somewhere - but perhaps somebody else can chime in with the answer.

Either way - I think it's worth the effort to get it working. Ours is a pleasure to use. It's so quiet and works so well. You wouldn't want to use it for high production rates of course, but for small fields - I really enjoy using it.
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I was waiting for JRSutton to post his rake. I would love to restore mine to the state his is in.

I just greased mine last week. Not that I used it but I like to keep it greased so nothing seizes up.

Just one warning, this thing fell really big behind a tractor. They don't pull hard at all and are fun to use in the field but if you have some tight quarters they really make you think.

I have a parts rake as well but it's pretty picked over. Be careful of the hoops. It's not terribly hard to break them. I suspect they wouldn't be all that hard to reproduce but it just one more thing to do.

K
 
exactly Kopeck! those stripper bars crack like
glass!

You DO want to bend them so the teeth don't scrape
- but be prepared to weld them - they break right
at the top where the threads are. Holding that
part in place to weld can be tough, especially if
you grand a chamfer for the weld. It can be
painful when you give up on clamping it and just
hold it with your hand to tack it!

And yes- you do have a rather wide turning radius
with that rake. But once you get a feel for it,
you adapt. It really is fun to use.
 
And Kopeck - all you have to do is start a 4H club and you'll have a bunch of slaves to do all the work for you! :)
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