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IH 47 baler - lost time

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DaninKansas

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I'm baling along with the 350 and the 47 wire tie baler, not pulling too hard as I am only making 50 pound bales in VERY dry hay. It all comes to a crashing halt with me shearing the fly wheel and packing fingers shear bolts immediately after it had tied. The needles are not damaged but the packing fingers are hitting the plunger on the closed bale chamber. How did it lose time in such a dramatic fashion?
 
It may not have "lost tine".IIRC,the IH baler use a set of gears to transfer power.So unless the gears have 'jumped',that is not your problem.If the thing is badly worn,or something hascome loose or broken,look somewhere else.I'll bet the needles have fallen slightly into the bale chamber.That can happen when the needle brake gets worn and slips.Maybe you hit a bump and things slipped.Check the knotter shearbolt.they dont shear often,but they do on occation.Do a thorough inspection .....
 
I haven't checked the knotter shear bolt. The gears must have jumped. There does appear to be some slack there.

The packer fingers are definately hitting the fully closed plunger as I found trying to rotate it by hand.
 
If you don't have the owners manual GET ONE. The timing on these balers is very critical and the book details it well. Also, the timing starts with the bevel gears on the right side of the plunger crank. Could have jumped time there or sheared or lost a shaft key.
 
If packer finger are out of time like you indicate it has to be the packer drive gears or sheared key on that shaft.
 
Close.

Bearing on the main pinion gear that drives the packer fingers is out - allowed the gears to jump time. Bearing is about $150.
 
I'm taking it apart the Case IH guy thats about 70 years old is going to help me put it together and time it. Right now it is completely out of time - needles, knotters and packer fingers.

If I got the gear mesh set back to where it should be supposedly everything would be back in time - we'll see.
 
I'm guessing the guy that wrote the IH manuals now works at Ford, their manuals don't tell you much other than take it to a dealer.
 
(quoted from post at 21:25:14 07/02/14) I'm guessing the guy that wrote the IH manuals now works at Ford, their manuals don't tell you much other than take it to a dealer.
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At least Fords and old IHs can still be fixed... GMs are "throw away".
 
I sure am glad GM'S they run till there in throw away class. those darn fords break a person before their time is up.
 

We had problems with shear pins too on ours when I was helping pop. I seem to remember we would have to check the bale tie mechanism once in a while too. When we were using it in the 70s and 80s, if the shear pin sheared, we would replace it and check the knotter by forcing it to tie early. There is a bar on the back that you can pull up which activates the knotter. Our bales were the small type but we set them to about 100 lbs per bale. We also slowed down if the hay was binding too much. Too much hay in the chamber also made the shear pin on the fork to shear. We broke open the small bales we made testing the system and rebaled them into regular sized 2 wire bales. Those were the 57 and 55 IH balers we had. A little story, we had and issue with hay not going into the chamber after being pulled up by the sweeper front. I think it was either my dad or gpa that took a shovel and pushed the hay a little way into the chamber and the shovel went into the chamber. That shovel became a corrigate shovel pretty quickly. We took that bale apart and framed the shovel and all 4 pieces of handle with it as a guide as to what not to do.
 
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