replace belly pump with woodsplitter pump

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Jason G Fabian

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Hi,
Has anybody ever replaced an original belly pump with say, for example, a woodsplitter pump, or gear pump in its place? I guess since the PTO shaft is gear reduction, it would make a lot of pressure, but would it run my loader really, really unbearably slow? I tried to run it off the crankshaft pulley, but it could only make about 300 psi before the belt would slip. Thanks for any input.

 

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MNGB

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Hi there are a couple of ways you can go one is a PTO pump mount on the PTO.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PTO-Tractor...108753028?pt=BI_Pumps&hash=item2ed3040a84

 

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MNGB

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Hi another way to go is to install a live hyd pump between the engine and the dist. / mag.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IHC-Farmall...Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item35d8a3323a

 

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IAtractorKid

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• Jun 27, 2014

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All kinds of options on what you can do. First question though is do you want live hydraulics???

 

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Jason G Fabian

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Hi,
No, not necessarily. I'm just going to be doing some landscaping and occasional odds and ends with a full hydraulic loader. I thought I might need power steering, but I have the loader and bucket on, and it's actaully not to bad to steer

 

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Jason G Fabian

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Hi,
Thanks for the link. I did actually see that pump on Ebay too. It would probably be the easiest. I got a really nice gear pump that came with the loader that used to run off the front of the engine of the Oliver 550 it was originally on. I was just trying to go the cheap route and use it, but I'm about ready to give up on it and maybe buy something

 

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Owen Aaland

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• Jun 27, 2014

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What tractor? There is a thread on Red Power where a guy has installed a crankshaft driven pump in the front pedestal casting on an M. Might work on an H to if you have the right size pump.

 

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Jason G Fabian

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Hi,
There is actually a guy here locally on Craigslist with one of those pumps off of a 350 LP for $125. Sounds like I would have to change the timing cover too. I was told my H is a 1947, but I never actually checked. Do you know, do you take the front of the tractor off to get the crank pulley off? Thanks

Jason

 

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IAtractorKid

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Keep the pump you have, install a sprocket on the
crank in front of the belt, put a sprocket on the
pump you have and run it with a chain. Mount a
tensioner on the frame rail. I've seen it done like
that a few times.

 

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Jason G Fabian

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Hi,
That is a good idea, I would be able to still use most of the stuff I already made, the rest I can get at Fleet Farm

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IAtractorKid

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Yes I would keep that setup just change over to
chain drive. If you have enough adjustment to get
good tension on the chain you could possibly get
away with not having a tensioner on it. If I can
find them, I have some pictures I will share of
similar setups.

 

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Jason G Fabian

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• Jun 27, 2014

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Hi,
That would be great. Thanks again for the help

Jason

 

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rustyfarmall

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• Jun 28, 2014

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If you are wanting to use a belt driven pump, the pump needs to be a "Vickers" vane style pump. A gear pump does not work very well with a belt drive.

 

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NNP

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• Jun 29, 2014

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TOH who mostly posts on the Ford boards uses a toothed belt on his live hydraulics kit for a N Ford.
google
Hokie-Hydraulics
maybe that style setup would work for you.

 

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IAtractorKid

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• Jun 29, 2014

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Here is an example of a PTO pump chain driven off the crank so you have live hydraulics.

 

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sflem849

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• Jun 30, 2014

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When did they change the timing cover? I know some H/Ms have the new style.

 

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mkirsch

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• Jun 30, 2014

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Keep in mind that a woodsplitter pump is designed to be directly attached to a small engine that is turning ~3600RPM.

I don't know how fast the countershaft on an H or M turns, but it certainly isn't anywhere near 3600RPM. The pump will lose most of its capability.

 

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Jason G Fabian

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• Jun 30, 2014

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Hi,
Yeah the more I thought about it, I think you would have to gear it up somehow, or it would be really, really slow, (but powerful). It looked to me like the countershaft that runs the belly pump turned about the same speed as the PTO. Thanks for the input.

Jason

 

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PretendFarmer

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• Jun 30, 2014

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You can get pumps that run ideally at low rpm providing 15gpm and plenty of psi.

 

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Jason G Fabian

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• Jun 30, 2014

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Hi,
Do you know if there is a good way to tell the old and new style timing covers apart? There is a guy about an hour from me selling one of those pumps for $125, I would probably still try that too, if I could just bolt it in Thanks

Jason

 

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Jason G Fabian

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• Jul 1, 2014

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Hi,
Thanks much for posting that picture. If for some reason my set-up doesnt work, I"m going to weld a sprocket to the belly pump coupling, with a chain to a shaft like the one in picture going to the pump, with the pump bolted to the boss under the transmission with the 3 bolt holes. Hopefully it wont come to that. It wouldn"t be live, but I would be able to gear it up if I had to. Thanks again

Jason