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Re: Farmall M clutch replacement

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Redturbo

02-02-2014 13:54:39
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I'm working on my neighbours SM, he brought me the disc only. Not a tractor mechanic, but an auto/hd truck. I have the cover off the bottom, took out the cross shaft, remove bolts that go to input shaft to transmission coupler. Caged the pressure plate springs, now I can move the input shaft around. Unbolted the pressure plate from the flywheel, got it to come back. I cant get the input shaft back far enough to get the disc to drop down. Do I have take the coupler/yoke off at the transmission side to get the shaft back farther? Since this is a Super M, I know the pressure plate wont come out the bottom. Books I have & read online say the disc will come out the bottom. The new disc is 11". Thanks for any help.

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Redturbo

02-03-2014 20:44:54
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to mkirsch, 02-02-2014 13:54:39  
The disc I took out is 12" & is fiber looking. The new disc from case IH 12" with 4 pads. But the center hub is smaller. Looked clutch disc, the disc I have is for IH clutch. 12" with 11 tooth hub, 1 13/64 of spline. The Rockford clutch is 12", 10 tooth hub, 1 1/2 of spline. Will have to see what local case IH partsman tells me tomorrow.



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D Slater

02-04-2014 04:36:48
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to Redturbo, 02-03-2014 20:44:54  
You have a disc for a SMTA and some other IH tractors. All regular SM tractors before the use of a T/A used the same larger diameter splines. Most suppliers will probably be selling the same disc for a SM now for a Rockford or IH clutch. Probably doesn't have the original clutch in it anyway. IH did sell # 359168R91 for that tractor then it was replaced by 362103R91. Tell him to get a plate for a SM below tractor serial # 60001. Someone looked up a plate for above 60000.
This site shows some different types of discs for a SM in tractor parts.
This post was edited by D Slater at 09:27:21 02/04/14.

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D beatty

02-02-2014 20:50:08
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to Redturbo, 02-02-2014 13:54:39  
If your working on a SM it should have a 12" clutch and you need to break it to get the clutch out. If its a M it will have a 11" clutch and it will come out the bottom.



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Redturbo

02-02-2014 19:11:33
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to Farmall A Tractor, 02-02-2014 13:54:39  
Well I got it out, guess I'm not used to tractors. If this would have been a 18 wheeler, would have been done already. Ha CharlieU, hopefully you have my stands ready for RPRU this summer. This is what neighbour wants, doesn't mean its always right. He got the wrong disc, splines are smaller. Serial number is F-43459 J, looked it up. 1953 SM with a Rockford clutch. Went case IH parts, he got an IH disc. Not a Rockford disc, anybody run into this?
This post was edited by Redturbo at 19:41:42 02/02/14.

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D Slater

02-03-2014 04:05:26
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to Redturbo, 02-02-2014 19:11:33  
Any 12 inch disc for a SM should go in. Even a 11 inch M would fit the splines. If you have a 12 inch with the wrong splines maybe its for a SMTA. If its a 11 inch with the wrong splines its hard to say what it may be for.



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Charlieu

02-02-2014 19:00:39
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to Redturbo, 02-02-2014 13:54:39  
I think it's time for you to consider a set of splitting stands. While you are at the clutch job you can also turn the ring gear and check the rear crankshaft seal when you have the tractor split. I agree with 60 acres, it's much easier to work when stand up on your own two feet. You do know that there are very few people that make money lying on there back. CharlieU



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60 acre hillside

02-02-2014 17:33:07
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to Redturbo, 02-02-2014 13:54:39  
How much time do you actually save by not breaking it down? I have an inner ear problem and can have troubles after working from beneath. I had rather work longer and stand on my feet rather than to lie on my back. I have a good shop with blocks, jacks and a chain hoist. I never tried one from the bottom.



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gab

02-02-2014 16:51:55
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to Redturbo, 02-02-2014 13:54:39  
I did mine a couple years ago and didn't remove trans yoke, you have to juggle the press plate while pulling the shaft with the disc on it to the side, not much room around the disc to maneuver but it'll come. Doesn't go back in any easier, plan on cussing.



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dej(Jed)

02-03-2014 05:50:40
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to gab, 02-02-2014 16:51:55  
The hardest part of the job is putting the pump back in........



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Darald

02-02-2014 20:08:54
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to gab, 02-02-2014 16:51:55  
How about a International W 400 gasser...can you also get that clutch out the bottom. Thanks...DM



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scott mcintosh

02-02-2014 21:31:37
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 Re: Farmall M clutch replacement in reply to Darald, 02-02-2014 20:08:54  
Nope W400 has to be split.



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