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The tractor vet

10-12-2013 18:53:08
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Let me throw in my three and a half cents worth here . So your BIG tractor is a S/MTA great , BUT you are limited on Hyd power as if and agin i said IF the hyd. system is working good the best PSI your going to have is 1250 . This is going to limit you on your options on a Haybine as you will need to find one that uses a 3x8 hyd cylinder not like the newer haybines that have two small cylinders mounted to the wheels that lift the whole machine with one of them about 16-1750 PSI is needed and that is really not enough for a fast lift . Stay away form john Deere 1209 and 1219 haybines , why do i say this because we not only have one 1219 but two and they are JUNK . As for a good baler a N H 273 would be really good and the MTA will run it just fine . A wide Ft. end would be a plus when making hay . as for a hay rake a 256 N H would be fine but we got away from the old style rake and have gone to a Khun rotary and they are nice we found that you do not need to run at full pto speed as we run ours at around 15-1600 engine rpm on a 706 and second high to third hih if the field is smooth enough to stay in the seat. Now the next BIG thing is HELP as help is the main factor in making IDIOT CUBES . Are you going to stack a wagon or are you going for a kicker and kicker wagons ?? Or are you going to drop them on the ground and pick them up ?? Are you feeding horses or cows or selling it?? If your feeding cows there is no way that i would do IDIOT CUBES . We do around 1000-1400 IDIOT CUBES just because my friend has SHEEP and they will not eat a round bale. I don't care if it is the fineset forth cutting you ever layed eyes on . They want Idiot Cubes so we make third cutting of IDIOT CUBES . I will cut it i will rake it and i will run the baler i do not finger print Idiot Cubes .

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farmallhal

10-13-2013 19:54:30
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 Re: good baling equipment in reply to The tractor vet, 10-12-2013 18:53:08  
Vet, Here's my two cents worth, I usually agree with you on most everything you post on this forum but am going to differ with you on your "Idiot Cubes". I hand feed my 30-35 feeder calves I sell each year and the cows by hand in barn mangers small square bales. This year I put up in the barns (with younger help) over 6000 square bales of hay due to the drought the prior year and wanted the barns filled in case we get another one shortly. I went to the sale barn when my calves were sold this past May and received the highest amount of any being sold that day at that location by 15-20 cents a pound. When the sale was over I asked a couple of the buyers why mine brought the highest price and was told by two buyers it was mostly likely due to their presence in the auction ring. Instead of being frightened, nervous, kicking, running around in the ring, etc. they were very calm and well subdued. I was told it was obvious they were well cared for and had a lot of individual attention by people during their lifetime. That individual attention came from being near them twice a day feeding them those small bales. The calves become very tame and settled by me being in close proximity to them feeding them. My uncle also had calves being sold at the same time which were fed large round bales by tractor every few days with no real human contact and is a very well known and respected farmer in this area but is older then I am being 87 and is no longer able to do the square bale thing. I think that those square bales and the hand feeding of calves on the scale that I am involved in pay many dividends. I can pull in the field with a truck or other vehicle that they have seen me on and call them and you better quickly get back in the truck as they come running as they know something good is most likely going to happen.
Since we have a lot of small and hobby farmers on this forum with small cattle herds and trying to maintain their operations on a small scale I feel there are advantages to the "ole fashion way" and being close to the cattle which the small squares force you into. Granted you still have to be quite agile and willing to work to be successful with the small bales but they certainly have their place, Hal.
P.S. I agree that the New Holland hay equipment is probably the best (that's what I use along with most everyone in this area) as we have excellent 24/7 dealership support by our local NH dealership during haying season. I have a NH 256 rake, 273 baler (I upgraded to a barely used shed kept NH 311 this year) and a NH 616 disc mower.

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Super-H-Mike

10-14-2013 18:26:00
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 Re: good baling equipment in reply to farmallhal, 10-13-2013 19:54:30  
Well said. My cattle are all tamed by me, makes so much easier to handle. The hiefers are even halter trained when young. I feed in the barn too, and store hay up in the old hayloft second story dairy barn. Cant do that with rounds.



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