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mike1972chev

05-01-2013 08:06:36
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Some more "food for thought" here:

Radiator repair,for the MOST part is sort of a "cottage" industry.(Like the local machine shops,etc.) I S L O W L Y see these getting smaller as disappearing by the years around me. :( One reason adding to this IS The fact many have chosen to buy a "chinkey",inferior replacement part other than support a more local reputable rebuilder maybe???? (I am guilty of this my self some times.)

I ALSO fear the loss of folks that ARE technical like the local repair/rebuilders. It seems to be a MORE disappearing art to me????

Are we "selling out" to foreign entititys????

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AG in IN

05-01-2013 09:33:10
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 Re: Rant on chinese parts in reply to mike1972chev, 05-01-2013 08:06:36  

mike1972chev said: (quoted from post at 16:06:36 05/01/13) Some more "food for thought" here:

Radiator repair,for the MOST part is sort of a "cottage" industry.(Like the local machine shops,etc.) I S L O W L Y see these getting smaller as disappearing by the years around me. :( One reason adding to this IS The fact many have chosen to buy a "chinkey",inferior replacement part other than support a more local reputable rebuilder maybe???? (I am guilty of this my self some times.)

I ALSO fear the loss of folks that ARE technical like the local repair/rebuilders. It seems to be a MORE disappearing art to me????
Are we "selling out" to foreign entititys????


I hate to make this even remotely political. I don't see how to avoid it.
I'd say we're selling out to foreign entities, but it's a forced sell-out. EPA, OSHA, local DEQ's, and empty consumer pockets are forcing manufacturing out and repair shops under. Common sense, pollution control, and safety in the workplace were enforced by the government, now extremes are enforced. Logic is out the window. You'll never be in compliance fully with these agencies and even if you think you are today, you won't be tomorrow. Some jobs will always have risks and potential health hazards to complete them. The Fed's want zero risks or health hazards. The insurance industry is now in the captain's chair to push this, too. Fed's seem thrilled no more "dirty" jobs are being created and more leave for foreign shores or shut down every day. Whoever survives is taxed into near-extinction. Soon there will be few left with the skills to do something like radiator repair, fewer left to teach the fewer still willing to learn and fewer still that will be able to offer these services to the public and operate a business successfully. The gov't doesn't want you or I fixing this old stuff anyway, especially if we intend to use it. They don't want the pollution caused by this old stuff. They want us buying new, and new with a lack of longevity so we come back and buy new again and again. They want you and I out stimulating the economy with our new purchases even if we bury ourselves in debt to do it. They want this old stuff scrapped and on a boat to China.
Lack of current leadership feels all Americans should have a college degree, and nobody should have to pay for the privilege of obtaining one. I doubt radiator repair will be taught at a college or university. He thinks Americans are "above" this kind of work. Some things can't always be taught in a classroom anyway, and some that are taught in a classroom can be better learned by some person to person or can sometimes even be self-taught.
Most people believe cheapest is best today. There's a large portion of our country that looks for the lowest price on a product, and that's the only selling point they worry about. Many don't have a choice. This partially due to the evolution of middle-class America becoming, well, something lower than middle-class. The money many times simply isn't there to buy the "better" product even when the desire is there to do so. Some don't even realize or care that they've bought something 5 times in 10 years and spent 3 times the $$$ they could have spent on the good item that would have lasted most or all of 10 years in the first place. When the folks that made the good item are gone, you're stuck with what's available.
I'm guessing, but I feel it's an educated guess that a top quality US made radiator for a Farmall H would probably have to retail somewhere around $1000 or even higher to be a profitable product. If it was built to exacting specs and of the highest quality, how many would sell? Would 1 in 10 sold for a Farmall H be the better one? Nobody can justify building a good one here with that kind of outlook, and even the best of intentions of building a good one elsewhere usually lead to an inferior quality product. Few, if any thoughts about quality control exist in China.
Sorry if this awakes the poof-monster. It isn't my intention to.
AG
This post was edited by AG in IN at 12:21:16 05/01/13 3 times.

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Fritz Maurer

05-01-2013 19:42:38
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 Re: Rant on chinese parts in reply to AG in IN, 05-01-2013 09:33:10  
Your line about never being in compliance also extends to the trucking industry... I wonder how many people who have been stopped by Motor Carrier Enforcement are let go with a clean bill of health.



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Alan K

05-01-2013 18:36:04
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 Re: Rant on chinese parts in reply to AG in IN, 05-01-2013 09:33:10  
Well said...



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Duanes

05-01-2013 12:10:38
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 Re: Rant on chinese parts in reply to AG in IN, 05-01-2013 09:33:10  
Amen Ag. Maybe I can"t say Amen anymore!



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Super H Mike

05-01-2013 08:25:27
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 Re: Rant on chinese parts in reply to mike1972chev, 05-01-2013 08:06:36  
Just to add to your thoughts Mike, there are those times when no other alternative is available except a China re-do, thats a shame .
There is only one radiator guy left around me, and he is unfortunately not very reputable, which is rare I believe for the trade. Still better with good used OEM if you can locate it.



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