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Farmall & IHC Tractors Discussion Forum
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Mark Alayne

02-21-2013 16:40:50
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What is the difference between a Super M and a SMTA?

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Mark Alayne

02-22-2013 06:29:41
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Re: SMTA in reply to Mark Alayne, 02-21-2013 16:40:50  
I am trying to figure out what I have so I can buy the right parts as I work on this tractor. I have the camshaft gear driven hydraulic pump. My PTO only works when clutch is disengaged. Does this means I have a stage 2 Super M? How can I tell if mine is a TA? Will the serial/model number tell me?

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D Slater

02-22-2013 14:00:17
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Re: SMTA in reply to Mark Alayne, 02-22-2013 06:29:41  
Where the center housing bolts to the transmission. If you can only see 2 mounting bolts on the outside of the housing. One near the top on each side. Its not a T/A tractor chassis. If it has 3 bolts mounting the starter on. Its a stage 2 SM or t/a tractor if the center housing has more than 2 mounting bolts visuable. Unless its a diesel, then it could be a stage one SM or a MD that someone put a hydraulic pump on. 2 bolts mounting the starter, = a stage one SM or a M someone mounted a hydraulic pump to.

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Armand Tatro

02-22-2013 07:14:20
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Re: SMTA in reply to Mark Alayne, 02-22-2013 06:29:41  
As I understand it either PTO was aviable on the SMTA. and the TA option could deleted. Some of this information would hav been in the SN# code. Armand

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Dave H (MI)

02-22-2013 06:58:32
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Re: SMTA in reply to Mark Alayne, 02-22-2013 06:29:41  
Well, if you have a long handle on the left side with a squeeze grip that only moves front to back you probably have a TA. If you have a similar handle to the right of the seat you probably have IPTO (but it doesn't sound like it). The hood could say anything and mean nothing. Serial number would help if the tag is there, readable, and hasn't been swapped out. Casting dates would help if you want to jot some down and post them here. If you post a couple of really good pictures of the tractor I could tell you if it is a SMTA. Been driving one for 12 years almost daily in the summer...think I could tell. :)

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CNKS

02-22-2013 06:53:07
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Re: SMTA in reply to Mark Alayne, 02-22-2013 06:29:41  
Post the serial number -- if you are going to order parts it will help you and whoever you order from if you purchase a parts book. That is particularly true with CaseIH. All you have to do is call them and give the part number, they do not need to know what it fits -- it is in their computer and they can tell you in a couple of minutes whether it is in stock or has to be ordered.

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Armand Tatro

02-21-2013 17:23:16
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Re: SMTA in reply to Mark Alayne, 02-21-2013 16:40:50  
The ta and live pto would have EQUAL value in importance and live hyd.pump would be a close second. Long overdue and much needed improvemrnts. Armand

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CNKS

02-21-2013 17:58:36
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Re: SMTA in reply to Armand Tatro, 02-21-2013 17:23:16  
I agree, except that live hydraulics were available on the stage 2 SM.

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DeltaRed

02-21-2013 20:16:15
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Re: SMTA in reply to CNKS, 02-21-2013 17:58:36  
I have a stage2 Super M.For me,the live pump/hydralics are more important than the TA or LPTO.

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CNKS

02-22-2013 06:46:14
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Re: SMTA in reply to DeltaRed, 02-21-2013 20:16:15  
I agree with that also, although the dead PTO on my SH, etc is a real pain when I stop my bush hog and have to wait for the blades to stop before I can shift gears. I got by without live hyd on an H for years in the 50's because I had never driven a tractor with live hyd.

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SD Pete

02-22-2013 04:25:05
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Re: SMTA in reply to DeltaRed, 02-21-2013 20:16:15  
Mine was a loader tractor so the live pto was more important to me. Guess it depends on what they are used for. Engine driven pump is too slow for me.

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mike1972chev

02-22-2013 03:11:15
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Re: SMTA in reply to DeltaRed, 02-21-2013 20:16:15  
I SECOND that motion DeltaRed! :)

(M TA owners,"throw rocks" at me: HERE! lol)

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Harvey 2

02-21-2013 16:53:05
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Re: SMTA in reply to Mark Alayne, 02-21-2013 16:40:50  
I think the SMTA has the torque amplifyer, and the other doesn't

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CNKS

02-21-2013 16:52:01
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Re: SMTA in reply to Mark Alayne, 02-21-2013 16:40:50  
SMTA has the first torque amplifier made by IH and an independent PTO (live), also the first by IH. Wheelbase slightly longer due to the TA, may have other minor changes, engine was the same. It will accept fast hitch, but it was not installed while the SMTA was in production.

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kevinj54

02-21-2013 16:50:44
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Re: SMTA in reply to Mark Alayne, 02-21-2013 16:40:50  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

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