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E85 farmall s love it period!

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Jonnny2006

01-26-2013 16:01:29
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I"ve been running e85 in everything I own. I also only use pure synthitic oil. I don"t care if 35$ a gal oil leaks out of my tractors. They will make more.... I wish I could use 100 percent alcohol. I hate giving my money to people who want to kill us. I don"t see the army gaurding corn fields. Any one who says e85 cant be ran in non alcohol cars made after 1990 haven"t tried it. I see more lng stations at truck stops that"s the way to go. Until LNG is readily avable e85 is what we all should use. Or at least fill your tank with e50. Any one who says its a bad Idea has not tried it. Give me your thoughts. Bad or good chime in!

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PretendFarmer

01-29-2013 09:05:42
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
"I've been using E85 in my 2001 Chevy 1 ton which is NOT a flex fuel... "

"I suspect a conspiracy"

You'll be suspecting problems with your 1 ton if you don't start putting GAS in it.
This post was edited by PretendFarmer at 09:06:17 01/29/13.



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MisterT

01-29-2013 11:26:33
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to PretendFarmer, 01-29-2013 09:05:42  
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And just how soon would those problems show up? Maybe after 1 year? Maybe 2 years? How about if we extend it all the way out to 3 years?
Yes, going on 3 years now and absolutely NO problems of any kind.



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GeneMO

01-28-2013 09:29:03
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
My new pickup is flex fuel, but with E-85 only ten cents a gallon less than regular, and it causes my fuel economy to drop off 20%, I dont think I'll be running much of it.

Gene



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MisterT

01-29-2013 07:44:36
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to GeneMO, 01-28-2013 09:29:03  
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I've been using E85 in my 2001 Chevy 1 ton which is NOT a flex fuel vehicle, and I get maybe 1 mile per gallon less compared to E10.

Recently we bought a 2012 Silverado 1/2 ton, which IS a flex-fuel, and we lose 2 to 3 miles per gallon using E85 versus E10.

I suspect a conspiracy.



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screwstick

01-27-2013 18:22:12
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
Distillate is also known as No 3 Fuel Oil.
As far as I'm aware of, the closest thing to this today is No 2 Fuel Oil, also known as home heating oil.



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Dave S.

01-27-2013 16:44:17
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
Bought a new car(2011) asked about running e-85, was told not to and if I did it would void the warrenty



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Tom Fleming

01-27-2013 16:03:35
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
distillate is NOT ethanol. Distillate is closest to Kerosene, but a little different. Nothing today matches distillate that I am aware of.



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ken house

01-27-2013 12:19:31
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
I also, do not like to trade with the enemy.



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Tom Fleming

01-27-2013 09:23:28
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
And yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

My point exactly to all. E85 is a fine fuel for engines designed to run it. If your engine was NOT designed to run it, your woes can span from poor performance to fuel delivery failures. will it run adequately in some applications of older engines? sure. Is it the devil incarnate? NO. Is it the best thing since sliced bread? Far from it.

Just calling an Ace an Ace. Not bashing E85, just stating facts.

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L.C. Gray

01-27-2013 07:50:03
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
One of the problems no one else mentioned so far is it takes TWICE as much alcohol to go what gas does. Carbureted engines require rejetting for alcohol and even then can't hardly run alcohol without highly modified carbs. Carbs designed for gas cannot flow enough fuel through the passgeways in the carb body to get enough fuel to not lean out the engine. The same can be said for EFI engines to a point. EFI engines set up for gas don't have large enough capacity injectors and are not mapped to pass enough alcohol at higher speeds/loads.

Ethanol, even smaller concentrations, can be death to aircooled engines. I discovered that with my motorcycle long ago when "Gasohol" first came out about '79. It just leans 'em out too much.

As far as putting the current 90/10 gas ethanol blend in the old stuff... I've had to go through the top ends of three engines recently where all the stuff the alcohol solved out of the old feul system wound up gluing the intake valve stems solid. I'd be happy to see E ZERO.

lastly... You see E85... I see 42% less MPG.

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Lucid

01-27-2013 10:37:09
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to L.C. Gray, 01-27-2013 07:50:03  
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We have a place that sells/gets gas w/o ethanol in it. I use it for small engines and tractor. Costs about 10 cents per gal more. Don't have starting issues no more. ;)

If they gave us ethanol as an alternative, then surely it would be close to the cost of gasoline. If not more... and it takes more for mpg.



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Rex Simpkins

01-27-2013 04:14:49
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
Ethanol may be great stuff if you live in a dry arid climate, but here on the Atlantic coast it absorbes water out of the air and I have had enough problems to be sure my Farmalls will not burn water.



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MisterT

01-27-2013 07:35:37
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Rex Simpkins, 01-27-2013 04:14:49  
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The humidity can get quite high right here in the midwest also during the summer months. Doesn't seem to bother my 1940 H, 1940 M, or my 2001 Silverado, all 3 running on straight E85.



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John G. Hasler

01-27-2013 06:01:19
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Rex Simpkins, 01-27-2013 04:14:49  
In my experience E85 pretty much eliminates water-in-the-gas problems. The water dissolves in the alcohol and goes right through with it instead of puddling in the bottom of the tank.



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Tom Fleming

01-27-2013 02:43:36
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
SPot on Jim. correct concept and terminology is heat of enthalpy. I avoided using it during the "Carb Icing" rant.

I really need to calm down and get a life. If people want to believe that the world is flat, who am I to challenge individuality! The Mother ship is waiting!



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Tom Fleming

01-26-2013 19:25:00
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/tech/hppp_0909_ethanol_fuel_and_vintage_vehicles/viewall.html

Pre 1990 and especially pre 1980 fuel systems were NOT deigned to run a high concentration of ethanol. All sorts of fall out. Modern engines and cars, absolutely. Is ethanol the "devil" that has everything up to and including the Black Plague associated with it? NO!

However, fuel delivery components designed and installed prior to the late 80's and early 90's DO NOT LIKE A DIET OF ETHANOL. Can the composite gaskets, o-rings, diaphrams, etc. be upgraded to modern materials? Absolutely. Do I have modern rebuilt kits for my F-12 fuel pumps? You betcha. Did my original 1949 KB5 Carter carb start whizzin' all over the place after I ran it for a few hours on E85? Yup. Have I seen complete NOS fuel pump failures 100% of the time? yup. is it likely that some of those failures can be attributed to dry rot? Yup. When I open them up, the diaphrams are the consistency of rubber cement? Hardly dry rot.

Believe as you will. I have absolutely no issues with E85. Upgrade your fuel delivery components to run on it. If you vehicle or tractor or whatever is older than the 1980's on, do yourself a favor. replace plastic and rubber type seals and diaphrams before running on E85.

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Fritz Maurer

01-27-2013 15:50:04
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Tom Fleming, 01-26-2013 19:25:00  
How did distillate-equipped F-12s get fuel if they couldn't run it through the pump?



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randy hall

01-26-2013 18:04:29
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Super-H-Mike, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see the aliens from roswell are at wright patterson air force base in dayton ohio.



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Tom Fleming

01-26-2013 17:19:29
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
as I am walking out the door. For those of you old enough to remember Dry Gas, it was Methanol or Isopropyl. Never ethanol.........there was a reason. de-natured alcohol is one of the strongest solvents available, only surpass by MEK and Carbon Tet. both of the latter removed from the market due to carcinogenic properties.

Man if you needed to clean a carb, carbon tetrachloride couldn't be beat. MEK rocked as well.

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Centex Farmall

01-26-2013 19:52:36
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Tom Fleming, 01-26-2013 17:19:29  
A number of years ago when I worked in the hanger we had a big container of MEK. I made every effort to avoid using it. Instant nose bleed if I did use it. The other choice was Varsol.

MEK sure got the job done! It would clean any goo or varnish off any part.



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Tom Fleming

01-26-2013 17:12:36
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
A walk down memory lane:

http://ytforums.ytmag.com/viewtopic.php?p=2848508&highlight=#2848508

We are headed down the same path..............................Car's warmed up, headed for the hills now.



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Tom Fleming

01-26-2013 17:10:38
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
John, on the older diaphrams, ie. 40's, 50's, and 60's, the rubber compounds were not designed for ethanol. Newer stuff, absolutely no problem. Older stuff turns to jelly. I'll make you a deal. I have 2 NOS F12/F14 fuel pumps on the shelf. I'll send one to you free of charge. Install it on your F-12 and put E85 in it. Tell me how that works out for you.

New stuff, fine. Pre 1990's, crap shoot. Look up solvents for butyl rubber, vs neoprene, vs silcone, etc. to be absolutely fair to your challenge, I should have qualified my statement for older, pre 1990 carb gaskets and fuel pump diaphrams.

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John G. Hasler

01-26-2013 18:44:34
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Tom Fleming, 01-26-2013 17:10:38  
> Look up solvents for butyl rubber, vs neoprene, vs silcone

Gasoline attacks butyl rubber (developed in 1937) as well as natural rubber. Thus neither would have been used in a gasoline fuel system. Neither gasoline nor ethanol attack neoprene (developed in 1930). I"m fairly sure that before neoprene became available gasoline fuel systems were metal and glass with possibly some paper gaskets.

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John G. Hasler

01-26-2013 18:43:18
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Tom Fleming, 01-26-2013 17:10:38  
> Look up solvents for butyl rubber, vs neoprene, vs silcone

Gasoline attacks butyl rubber (developed in 1937) as well as natural rubber. Thus neither would have been used in a gasoline fuel system. Neither gasoline nor ethanol attack neoprene (developed in 1930). I"m fairly sure that before neoprene became available gasoline fuel systems were metal and glass with possibly some paper gaskets.

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robgIN

01-26-2013 17:06:42
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
ethanol is a solvent, it may not disolve old gaskets but it will damage certain materials. I'm not out to bash ethanol, but it's not for everything. It will damage rubber fuel lines, o-rings and other things . And if your vehicle is not a flex fuel approved unit, it can ruin injectors.An old tractor with metal tank, lines and carb will probably be ok with it under most circumstances, but 100% ethanol is very hard to ignite in an engine in cold temps, thats why they put 15% gas. You also need approximately 20 percent more ethanol than gas to achieve the same stoichiometric mixture so if you are working it really hard without richening the fuel mixture you are asking for trouble.This subject could go on and on, but about the pros and cons of ethanol, but I will just say there are both....

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Centex Farmall

01-26-2013 17:04:47
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
I too wish they would sell 100% Ethanol and quit mixing up concoctions of stuff that doesn't work great in anything. Let alcohol run on it's own merit. If it really is great then it will be succesful. I agree LNG has potential if they get the filling stations worked out. But then propane never really caught on.

I would like to see a closed loop farming operation where every single piece of equipment used in corn production runs on pure ethanol made from the previous year's crop and then see how much surplus comes off every year for sale.

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Duner Wi

01-26-2013 19:08:28
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Centex Farmall, 01-26-2013 17:04:47  
If it was 100% would we not be drinking it?



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Centex Farmall

01-26-2013 19:42:46
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Duner Wi, 01-26-2013 19:08:28  
LOL I hadn't thought of it that way. $3 dollar hooch right at the pump! All the wino's will be hanging out at the gas station.



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John G. Hasler

01-27-2013 05:55:03
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Centex Farmall, 01-26-2013 19:42:46  
Pure ethanol certainly wouldn"t work well as a substitute for gasoline in engines designed to run on the latter. I wonder how well it would work in distillate engines, though? (Not that I have any way to find out.)

Oh, well. According to the newsies soon enough everything not electric will be running on LNG or hydrogen and gasoline will be illegal.



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Centex Farmall

01-27-2013 09:12:28
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to John G. Hasler, 01-27-2013 05:55:03  
I agree, it wouldn't work well as a direct substitute, but if you knew you had a reliable supply of straight ethanol you could build and tune for it, mainly higher compression lower air/fuel ratio. It would have to cost half as much as gasoline just to break even.



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Janicholson

01-26-2013 20:22:30
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Centex Farmall, 01-26-2013 19:42:46  
Two reasons for mixing gasoline with Ethanol. It makes it difficult to consume as a beverage!! and it also allows vehicles to start in cold weather. Which pure Ethanol doesn't do because of vapor pressure (stays liquid) issues in cold climates. Jim



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36F30

01-26-2013 19:17:19
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Duner Wi, 01-26-2013 19:08:28  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Yup, they are required to add white gas at the Ethanol Plant otherwise they would be a distillery making corn whisky.



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WOpp

01-26-2013 17:57:13
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Centex Farmall, 01-26-2013 17:04:47  
How about running it all on soybean bio diesel. Your engines will love it and no modifications would be needed,. Diesels love vegtable oil



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Tom Fleming

01-26-2013 16:19:30
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Jonnny2006, 01-26-2013 16:01:29  
Uh, 2 comments: :shock:
1.) Older letter and F series engines will burn darn near anything you throw at them. adjustments to carb and timing appropriate to the octane rating. Ethanol disolves old gaskets and fuel pump diaphrams. Period.

2.) I am running for the hills. This topic historically has produced massive arguments and hurt feelings. Over a year ago, I added E85 to the list of topics not to be discussed along with religion and politics.

Send me post card and tell me how this works out for you........ :wink:

PS: I also run away from which spark plug is the best. Which brand of oil is the best. And lastly, are there really aliens at Roswell............ (we settled "does the Pope crap in the woods" about 2 years ago)
This post was edited by Tom Fleming at 16:26:34 01/26/13.

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Centex Farmall

01-26-2013 16:56:34
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Tom Fleming, 01-26-2013 16:19:30  
Only thing I've found in Roswell is a bunch of parked aircraft. Big ones.



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John G. Hasler

01-26-2013 16:51:37
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 Re: E85 farmall s love it period! in reply to Tom Fleming, 01-26-2013 16:19:30  
> Ethanol disolves old gaskets and fuel pump diaphrams.

Chemists disagree. Evidence?



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